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Old 01-18-2014, 11:00 PM
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HaHa!!! I like you OlaJoe.... You got me crackin up with "johnny and big tony"

I apologize, I thought your first post was for real...

I am all about it!

Some folks call me sardonic, I just like to have fun...

Sometimes it's hard to decipher when on reading on a computer screen...
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Old 01-18-2014, 11:22 PM
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1. No pays
2. No pays
3. No pays
4. No pays
5. Bad debts (ok, same thing as no pays)
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Old 01-19-2014, 12:44 PM
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The thing I hate the most is how few options I have with employees. My partner and I work in the field it's where we are happiest. I can't stand office work nor him. But hiring requires we place and ad we takes dozens of calls we screen and take the turd with the least amount of flies. It eats up days which costs us thousands in lost work time for every employee we hire. Hiring is not free to us so firing is not a punishment to them but a self inflicted punishment to us. It means one you are now short handed and the solution to fix that is to get out the field go into the office and take interviews and all that stuff. So basically your unable to get your work done and your plan is to do even less of it. Then of course the new guy lies about his skills and experience they always do and you find you would of been better off not hiring anyone in the first place. As a result we end up dealing with crap that everyone would say fire them over only rather than looking at the thing they did wrong you end up weighing it against is it so bad to warrant inflicting thousands of dollars of costs on our selves just to be in the same spot a month from now.

That is the thing I hate the most and the solution is as harsh as the problem was to begin with. Either learn to accept ones fate of having your stuff destroyed and mistreated and doing substandard work while you sit in an office you cannot stand to be in. Or simplify the business and drop the employees and do the work your self. The trouble is the grey area. You cant get out of the field on the backs of just 2 employees and since I have a partner it would require having a dozen. That's the price to make what we could make with out having them in the first place. Anyways you asked and thats my answer which has 11 years of thought into that something to think about before offering a 5 min thought out reply.
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:01 PM
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Wow, good post Kelly's.....
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Old 01-19-2014, 01:35 PM
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The thing I hate the most is how few options I have with employees. My partner and I work in the field it's where we are happiest. I can't stand office work nor him. But hiring requires we place and ad we takes dozens of calls we screen and take the turd with the least amount of flies. It eats up days which costs us thousands in lost work time for every employee we hire. Hiring is not free to us so firing is not a punishment to them but a self inflicted punishment to us. It means one you are now short handed and the solution to fix that is to get out the field go into the office and take interviews and all that stuff. So basically your unable to get your work done and your plan is to do even less of it. Then of course the new guy lies about his skills and experience they always do and you find you would of been better off not hiring anyone in the first place. As a result we end up dealing with crap that everyone would say fire them over only rather than looking at the thing they did wrong you end up weighing it against is it so bad to warrant inflicting thousands of dollars of costs on our selves just to be in the same spot a month from now.

That is the thing I hate the most and the solution is as harsh as the problem was to begin with. Either learn to accept ones fate of having your stuff destroyed and mistreated and doing substandard work while you sit in an office you cannot stand to be in. Or simplify the business and drop the employees and do the work your self. The trouble is the grey area. You cant get out of the field on the backs of just 2 employees and since I have a partner it would require having a dozen. That's the price to make what we could make with out having them in the first place. Anyways you asked and thats my answer which has 11 years of thought into that something to think about before offering a 5 min thought out reply.
Why do you have to be in the office?

Can't you have a person to handle the books and take the calls for you?

Lost time on the job interviewing?

Why not interview before or after your day?

Trucks head out at 8 am you meet at 7 am. He can't get there for 7 then you know he is not going to show up on time at 8. Same if you get done at 5 pm. You interview at 6pm. He does not want to show at 6 you know he will not want to put in the extra hour when needed.
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Old 01-19-2014, 02:32 PM
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I knew id get a simpleton answer. Your hours are not identical to mine leave it at that.
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Old 01-19-2014, 03:10 PM
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#1 - I realize that the questions was what do you hate, but even outside of this thread, no one in this business seems to enjoy it after 5 years or so. I don't want a huge business. I want to do about 500 to 600k a year running 3-5 residential/small commercial crews and take home 80k-100k depending on the year. I want to still be able to take joy in my job, enjoy what I do, the relationship with employees and 95% of my clients, and have energy to give to my family when I come home. I hate that I rarely hear of LCOs who have that. I am worried I am being naÔve and arrogant in thinking I can have that one day. I don't want an effortless/ stress free business. I do want one that I don't dread.

#2 - Paperwork/ inputing things into the computer, thank goodness my wife loves doing that, free bookkeeping!
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Old 01-19-2014, 05:08 PM
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1. Chasing money.
2. Employees
3. Mailing Invoices.(Wish all my customers would go paperless)
4. Profit margin.
5. Fuel expense.
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Old 01-19-2014, 05:20 PM
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Hello there olajoe808... Welcome!

Just hoping you could clarify a few things... When you say "Instead of sucking it up and focusing on how to improve sales, the attention is focused on newer operations." I agree, I LOVE talking about sales and business strategies but if a new guy is asking questions that seem silly or impertinent to you, you could just ignore those questions right? I am 32 years old and I have been in the business for almost 20 years but to be honest, a HUGE percentage of guys here are under 25 and new LCO's. I will also add that I get immense satisfaction from helping younger and more inexperienced guys because I myself got a lot of help from older guys when I was coming up.

Now this is just weird. "Kinda of like it is in small rural towns today where some still feel the internet is for sissys." Well, I am from Boston Ma. born and raised but I currently live in a "small rural town" and I can say with 100% certainty that I have never met or heard of anybody that thinks the internet is for "sissys." I also consider myself well read and other than you saying it, this phenomenon has never before come up on my radar, never. In fact, most folks in small rural towns LOVE the internet because it connects them with a world that they might have had less access to previously.

Finally, your disdain for posts "lacking basic grammar and punctuation" is "kinda of" funny. Maybe you should try taking your own advice and "GO TO SCHOOL or be schooled!!"
So you started when you were 12?
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Old 01-19-2014, 06:42 PM
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1. Customer management(I feel like a parent to my customers sometimes)
2. Employees not taking owmership of their job
3. People not understanding how much a dollar is worth.
4. Because of the above reasons knowing that it will be extremely difficult to provide career positions with full benifits.
5. Because of the above its my personal life that suffers trying to make this business work.
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