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Old 02-21-2014, 05:16 PM
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That's the final final. No mumble mumble for you! The deal is off.
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Old 02-21-2014, 08:16 PM
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The result of not playing nice with others
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Old 03-17-2014, 03:48 PM
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You are exactly correct Boots.
Check out the spec page from the Rain Bird America
http://www.rainbird.com/landscape/pr.../valves/HV.htm

And the spec page from the Rain Bird Europe
http://www.rainbird.eu/5-6325-Fiche-...d_produits=333


Look at the difference in the electrical specs. Inrush amps, holding amps and the resistance are all different.(note both are given at 60hz) This valve was released in America on 4-30-12 and in Europe on 5-29-12. And so far one person posted using them only because they got them for free. Nice marketing job Rain Bird.
Well I guess we all know were all the HV valves will end up – Home cheapo

Also note that Rain Bird Europe does not offer any slip valves.
RB Europe uses a different solenoid than domestic RB products - this is why the electrical specs are different.
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Old 03-17-2014, 03:55 PM
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They lowered the list price without lowering the wholesale price, and that's why the gripe.
Without going too far behind the curtain, the multiplier for all RB distributors on 99% of the products to arrive at distributor net cost never changes and it has been the same for years. The only products with a different multiplier are Central Control, or products from OEM agreements (hose reels, lake aerators, etc). So if the list price is reduced, distributor net price is also reduced. The only snag here is if the distributor had product on-hand which was purchased prior to a price reduction - then their inventory is devalued based on current list/dist net pricing.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:43 PM
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Without going too far behind the curtain, the multiplier for all RB distributors on 99% of the products to arrive at distributor net cost never changes and it has been the same for years. The only products with a different multiplier are Central Control, or products from OEM agreements (hose reels, lake aerators, etc). So if the list price is reduced, distributor net price is also reduced. The only snag here is if the distributor had product on-hand which was purchased prior to a price reduction - then their inventory is devalued based on current list/dist net pricing.
Never mind the fact that most distributors are incentivized to move the product. They get a pretty good rebate at the end of the year based on their sales.
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Old 03-17-2014, 06:53 PM
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Clearly some non-standard math has to be applied for the industry's two top-selling rotors to be about a dollar apart in contractor net cost, versus about eight dollars apart in list price.
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:34 PM
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Clearly some non-standard math has to be applied for the industry's two top-selling rotors to be about a dollar apart in contractor net cost, versus about eight dollars apart in list price.
How so? List on a 5004 is $13.25, my NET is $6.62 which equals 50% of list. List on a PGP-ADJ is $19.00, my NET is $8.45 which equals which equals about 45.5% of list. There is no non-standard math here. It's all in what your distributor is selling you the product for. I buy a ton of RB so I get 50% off of list. I buy very little Hunter so I get a lot less off of list.
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Old 03-17-2014, 07:52 PM
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I'm still trying to get my paws on a HV valve. Seems they're on the books but no price, no availability no where near here.
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:20 PM
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I'm still trying to get my paws on a HV valve. Seems they're on the books but no price, no availability no where near here.
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Call the RB 800 number and tell them that you want a sample to try out and that you can't find any anywhere. I bet they would send you one!
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Old 03-17-2014, 08:48 PM
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Call the RB 800 number and tell them that you want a sample to try out and that you can't find any anywhere. I bet they would send you one!
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