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Old 03-07-2014, 11:14 PM
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Tony - the debate is partly because the "receptacle" probably but does not definitely disallow the post of the mailbox.
I guess it's how one chooses to interpret this:

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Old 03-07-2014, 11:24 PM
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I guess it's how one chooses to interpret this:

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Well that would add some clarity but you did not include that in your previous post which may add to the enigma and why we can't get to the bottom of this issue.

While I am sure the legalese is written in some cryptic fine print somewhere, my interpretation is:

1. In the mailbox is 100% off limits (even if the door is open)
2. Putting things on the flag is technically off limits and annoys the heck out of the mailman
3. The post, while maybe technically off limits, is fair game and no one cares
4. The door of the house is on-limits but requires a ton more leg work and could irk the homeowners.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:01 AM
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AW - you, as always, take the self righteous position that homeowners would actually want you walking on their property and up to their front door rather than putting your propaganda near their mail, and judge you if you didn't.
"Propaganda"??? I don't know if your advertisements fit the definition of "propaganda" but my door hangers certainly can not be classified as "propaganda" because they are not of a biased or misleading nature used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

People who don't want other people walking on their property tend to post "no trespassing" signs or place barriers like fences with locked gates around their properties. People like this take measures to communicate their desire to keep people off of their property. The only way for a person to know they are not welcome on someone else's property is for the property owner to communicate their wishes to all those who approach the property.

I walk only on driveways and walkways. I do not cut across people's yards…not even a little bit. If I were to be asked to leave or told not to come on the property I would comply. If the property has a barrier like a fence with a secured gate, I respect the property owner's unspoken desire to keep people outside of the property line.

Door hangers don't go in or on the mail receptacle and I won't litter by leaving it on the ground near the mailbox nor will I throw it on someone's property in a plastic bag.
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:05 AM
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Stick it to the base of the mailbox, it's not technically the mailBOX
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this is a valid point, I never really considered this before, I install a far number of mailboxes and it never occurred to me… the post isn't part of the 'protected' mail box...
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Old 03-08-2014, 02:16 AM
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The post, while maybe technically off limits, is fair game and no one cares
You may not care but some people might and it is not permitted.

"No part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle. Any mailable matter not bearing postage and found as described above is subject to the same postage as would be paid if it were carried by mail."
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Old 03-08-2014, 04:29 AM
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Well that would add some clarity but you did not include that in your previous post which may add to the enigma and why we can't get to the bottom of this issue.
Yes, I went back and grabbed another sentence from the United States Postal Service web site to copy 'n paste, which all of the previous was. I'm confused as to how there are really any enigmas when there are readily available regulations?
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Old 03-08-2014, 04:35 AM
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this is a valid point, I never really considered this before, I install a far number of mailboxes and it never occurred to me… the post isn't part of the 'protected' mail box...
Except it is part of the "protected" mail box.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:54 AM
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You may not care but some people might and it is not permitted.

"No part of a mail receptacle may be used to deliver any matter not bearing postage, including items or matter placed upon, supported by, attached to, hung from, or inserted into a mail receptacle. Any mailable matter not bearing postage and found as described above is subject to the same postage as would be paid if it were carried by mail."
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The post is not supported by the mail receptacle.
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Old 03-08-2014, 09:59 AM
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"Propaganda"??? I don't know if your advertisements fit the definition of "propaganda" but my door hangers certainly can not be classified as "propaganda" because they are not of a biased or misleading nature used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

People who don't want other people walking on their property tend to post "no trespassing" signs or place barriers like fences with locked gates around their properties. People like this take measures to communicate their desire to keep people off of their property. The only way for a person to know they are not welcome on someone else's property is for the property owner to communicate their wishes to all those who approach the property.

I walk only on driveways and walkways. I do not cut across people's yards…not even a little bit. If I were to be asked to leave or told not to come on the property I would comply. If the property has a barrier like a fence with a secured gate, I respect the property owner's unspoken desire to keep people outside of the property line.

Door hangers don't go in or on the mail receptacle and I won't litter by leaving it on the ground near the mailbox nor will I throw it on someone's property in a plastic bag.
In Texas I think you can get shot for just being on someone's property. Be careful. I'm pretty sure even the post office can't do that.

When you say "I walk only on driveways" I think you mean your laborers. You can't bill those hours.
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Old 03-08-2014, 10:27 AM
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This ranks right up there with the paper flyer straw or baggie and rock in my driveway. Usually the lowest quality of printing and context. If it was a high quality card with the no mess adhesive on the back I might actually read it. Is it really the image you want for your company?
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