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Old 03-18-2003, 12:29 AM
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Yes, its still a mixture. They operate just like the 2 cycle.
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Old 03-18-2003, 07:59 AM
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Echo is NOT coming out with a line of 4-cycle equipment!!

They have the technology to design very clean running, lightweight, quiet trimmers that use much less fuel. This new engine technology is called Power Boost Tornado and is available today.

The 4-mix, 4-cycle combination units are heavier (just pick one up and you'll see) and they have many more moving parts (14-15) that can break and need adjustments. The Stihl and Shindaiwa units have valves that need to be adjusted every 100 hours or so. What a major inconvenience!! (Plus, there is no hour meter on the trimmer so you won't know when to adjust the valves.

The new Echo technology is out NOW and is way ahead of the competition!!
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Old 03-18-2003, 12:26 PM
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One thing I have learned from working in design is that the companies who copy are always behind, and the leaders are out in front trying new things and making it happen!

Echo is a follower not a leader!! Rock on Stihl!!
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Old 03-18-2003, 05:21 PM
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Old 03-18-2003, 06:09 PM
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another 4 cycle that is not widely used is Honda. Very good product. And the pricing is not as bad as many may think.
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Old 03-18-2003, 09:37 PM
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My dealer told me that they came out with the 4 cycle so they can prove that they are trying to clean up the air. Stihl is the best out the market today, nothing runs like it.
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Old 03-18-2003, 10:14 PM
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I have used the honda, and it is awsome. The problem is there are hardly any honda dealers to fix it. I tried a stihl today, and all i can say is it is OK. Not as good as the honda...
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Old 03-18-2003, 10:19 PM
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Stihl came out with 4-mix because the could not get their 2-cycle stuff past the EPA..plain and simple

The BEST companies (Echo and RedMax) have the needed technology to move on with high quality 2-cycle products.

Good luck with 4-mix in a commercial application....be ready to spend money on maintenance every 100 hours or so (valve adjustments plus 15 more moving parts than comparable 2-cycle units)...by the way...how will you know??there is no hour meters on hand held equipment.

Oh...by the way..ask your dealer why approx. 50 percent of Stihl's engines are rated at only 50 hours of EPA compliance. The 50 hour engines are considered homewoner units...I can't wait to hear his answer!!

PS..ALL Echo and RedMax engines are certified at 300 hours of EPA compliance which is considered heavy duty commercial use.

Check it out for yourself......2-cycle is the way to go on handheld equipment...always has been and will be for a long time to come.
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Old 03-18-2003, 10:24 PM
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i agree with you on the 2 cycles. Much better route to go. I have never used the echo trimmer though. We run about 7 of the stihl 85's and 3 of th 80's.
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Old 03-18-2003, 10:24 PM
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2-cycle

You should check to see if your dealer can get Kawasaki 2-cycle equipment. I have the weed eater and backpack blower made by Kawasaki. They are lighter than echo and run much quieter and have the same power. The trimmer is around 280.00 I think and the blower is 350.00 to 425.00 depending on the model.

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