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Old 04-15-2014, 11:34 AM
Cadzilla Cadzilla is offline
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Lol

I'm glad ur intrigued!!!!

In no way am I saying there are deficiencies in shaded lawn. I will repeat myself again and say I am putting on a well balanced diet on the lawn and low N so the lawn doesn't grow and deplete itself.

We also use "starter" on diseases lawns as Ohio State had shown just as good results as using fungicides.

Does that's mean there is a P defeciency? Nope
But the plant responds well to it!

Note: 2.7- 3 lbs per k

I have only been doing this for 9 years.

Oh yeah..

The answer to your last question...what is the driver of less performance in a shaded lawn?
Lol

It's called sunlight or lack of photosynthesis!
Did u really have to ask that question?



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A lot of states including Michigan have phosphorous restrictions.

Can't use it unless you're seeding or sodding or you test and show a need.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:47 AM
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These guys are talking fertilization & weed control with some grub & insect applications mixed in. Between 4 to 6 applications a year is normal depending where you are in the country.
Makes one million percent more sense . Thanks
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:29 PM
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In no way am I saying there are deficiencies in shaded lawn. I will repeat myself again and say I am putting on a well balanced diet on the lawn and low N so the lawn doesn't grow and deplete itself.

We also use "starter" on diseases lawns as Ohio State had shown just as good results as using fungicides.

Does that's mean there is a P defeciency? Nope
But the plant responds well to it!

Note: 2.7- 3 lbs per k

I have only been doing this for 9 years.

Oh yeah..

The answer to your last question...what is the driver of less performance in a shaded lawn?
Lol

It's called sunlight or lack of photosynthesis!
Did u really have to ask that question?



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I'm trying to figure out why you need different nutrient rates in shaded lawns. If you think you need different rates, then you must be tying shaded performance to nutrient status.

Are you applying 2.7 to 3# P2O5/M to these lawns in a single application, or multiple apps spread over a season?

If you're using a 1:1:1 ratio that you called a "starter" in an earlier post, then you're applying 2.7 to 3# N/M, which is the standard recommendation for cool season turf in the Midwest.

If you're trying to use less N, why just use less N, instead of applying other nutrients that aren't needed?

The fertilizers that the OSU work looked at were phosphite fertilizers and these only had minimal effect when used on creeping bentgrass putting greens, but no effect on lawn grasses.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:33 PM
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A lot of states including Michigan have phosphorous restrictions.

Can't use it unless you're seeding or sodding or you test and show a need.
Glad I live in Ohio and can make sound agronomic decisions!

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Old 04-15-2014, 12:49 PM
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I'm trying to figure out why you need different nutrient rates in shaded lawns. If you think you need different rates, then you must be tying shaded performance to nutrient status.

Are you applying 2.7 to 3# P2O5/M to these lawns in a single application, or multiple apps spread over a season?

If you're using a 1:1:1 ratio that you called a "starter" in an earlier post, then you're applying 2.7 to 3# N/M, which is the standard recommendation for cool season turf in the Midwest.

If you're trying to use less N, why just use less N, instead of applying other nutrients that aren't needed?

The fertilizers that the OSU work looked at were phosphite fertilizers and these only had minimal effect when used on creeping bentgrass putting greens, but no effect on lawn grasses.
We apply a pre on round 1 and starter on the last 3 apps.

We have all cool season grasses!

Technically we are mostly TTTF and it requires less N anyway.

We don't use a 1:1:1. We actually use 18-24-12 50%PPSCU.

N=vegetative growth
P=root growth

I can assure you that the starter product cost is 2X that of our regular fert. If my process and agronomics didn't work it would be foolish to do this.

Quesion me and my program all you would like but it works great and I only recommend sound agronomic service. Can you cut your rate on a 30% product and still be ok. Yes.

But as I started I like to throw a well balanced diet and keep good root on my shaded lawns.

I guess I am not real worried about if you understand why we do what we do! You can agree or disagree, but I have provided you with the agronomic facts and what we have found to work best!

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Old 04-15-2014, 12:55 PM
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Selling lawn care with snown on the ground is about as fun as....
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Old 04-15-2014, 06:34 PM
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No kidding, 38 yesterday maybe 10 today.
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:06 PM
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No kidding, 38 yesterday maybe 10 today.
True story. Morale in the office today was dismal
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:19 PM
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True story. Morale in the office today was dismal
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A pathetic 7 today. Its amazing how snow turns my phone off
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Old 04-15-2014, 07:21 PM
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I suppose when you get bigger this is the way things must go.
I have such good relationships with nearly all my customers, that I don't think I ever want to get so big that my customer's only see my employees and never talk to me. I am the face of my business not my min wage guys.
I think your pay scale is the holdup of your business. Min wage guys can't make treatments let alone show face to your customer.
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