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Old 04-10-2014, 08:55 PM
whiffyspark whiffyspark is offline
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35 an hour for most guys is not unsustainable...just might not grow beyond one crew . And that low rate has broadened the number of people able to afford lawncare
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Yup.

That's the ass backwards part of this. Someone else basically said the same thing. You should be charging the same rate regardless of your crew size.

$35 an hour isn't going to get you out of being solo. And it damn sure isn't profitable with a crew.

Some people to say raise your rates AFTER you hire someone? Why?

If you're charging 35 that's 280 a day. 50 is 400. You should be charging more than 35 so when you CAN expand you are not playing catch up
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:56 PM
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You may not believe this but the fixed hourly rate plain doesn't work.

It doesn't work because I can't charge the same whether I'm using a $12,000 Ztr or a $20 shovel.
You may think you can, but it's not fair to the customer and believe me they're not stupid.

The customer doesn't want to pay $60 an hour for my using a $20 shovel, because if they did all I would do is shovel!
Maybe some don't think I'm smart enough to realize a shovel's a whole lot cheaper than a Ztr and that I rake in a lot more profit when I have low overhead, hell why would I be so stupid as to wear out a 12 thousand dollar machine when I can clear $50 profit per hour while buying 4 new shovels every day.

And if all I do is charge a lot then all I get to do is ride the Z, which might be fine by some except ...
There isn't enough work out there for one man with one tool.

So like it or not, the hourly rate depends on the COST of what is being used.

Same reason why it costs MORE per hour when the tree guy shows up with a cherry picker.
Why, because of the COST of that truck.
That's why it costs more or less.

Not because a bunch of guys sat up dreaming a dollar a minute one night lol
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:58 PM
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Most hire illegals with the blessing of the Federal Government.

Alabama passed laws that made it impossible for illegals to work in our state, every thing passed was no different than Federal Laws on the books.

The Federal Government sued Alabama and its been in Federal Court ever since.

As I say its not an easy business to thrive in.
Maybe you have better luck there getting help...here, non convicts all want to work for themselves..its tough getting anyone and keeping them around
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Old 04-10-2014, 08:59 PM
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An applicator can most def. Charge more than 35 bucks an hour...What's the cost of living in Ohio? I've got 2 mil in liability and workers comp...been at it 35 years
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I think you and I are on the same page. A solo guy int the Cincinnati area can make. 5 to 600 a day on about 11hr day.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:11 PM
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I think you and I are on the same page. A solo guy int the Cincinnati area can make. 5 to 600 a day on about 11hr day.
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Confirmed. I don't work past 1 pm. I could do a lot more if I wanted to. I simply don't.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:13 PM
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You may not believe this but the fixed hourly rate plain doesn't work.

It doesn't work because I can't charge the same whether I'm using a $12,000 Ztr or a $20 shovel.
You may think you can, but it's not fair to the customer and believe me they're not stupid.

The customer doesn't want to pay $60 an hour for my using a $20 shovel, because if they did all I would do is shovel!
Maybe some don't think I'm smart enough to realize a shovel's a whole lot cheaper than a Ztr and that I rake in a lot more profit when I have low overhead, hell why would I be so stupid as to wear out a 12 thousand dollar machine when I can clear $50 profit per hour while buying 4 new shovels every day.

And if all I do is charge a lot then all I get to do is ride the Z, which might be fine by some except ...
There isn't enough work out there for one man with one tool.

So like it or not, the hourly rate depends on the COST of what is being used.

Same reason why it costs MORE per hour when the tree guy shows up with a cherry picker.
Why, because of the COST of that truck.
That's why it costs more or less.

Not because a bunch of guys sat up dreaming a dollar a minute one night lol
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:17 PM
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Maybe you have better luck there getting help...here, non convicts all want to work for themselves..its tough getting anyone and keeping them around
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Its tought to get help here, althought Im solo and plan to stay that way.

I see what the big players are doing and in My aera they don't bill laborors no where near 60$ pe hour, its closer to 18$.
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Old 04-10-2014, 09:26 PM
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You may not believe this but the fixed hourly rate plain doesn't work.

It doesn't work because I can't charge the same whether I'm using a $12,000 Ztr or a $20 shovel.
You may think you can, but it's not fair to the customer and believe me they're not stupid.

The customer doesn't want to pay $60 an hour for my using a $20 shovel, because if they did all I would do is shovel!
Maybe some don't think I'm smart enough to realize a shovel's a whole lot cheaper than a Ztr and that I rake in a lot more profit when I have low overhead, hell why would I be so stupid as to wear out a 12 thousand dollar machine when I can clear $50 profit per hour while buying 4 new shovels every day.

And if all I do is charge a lot then all I get to do is ride the Z, which might be fine by some except ...
There isn't enough work out there for one man with one tool.

So like it or not, the hourly rate depends on the COST of what is being used.

Same reason why it costs MORE per hour when the tree guy shows up with a cherry picker.
Why, because of the COST of that truck.
That's why it costs more or less.

Not because a bunch of guys sat up dreaming a dollar a minute one night lol
You'll never be able to afford the equipment if you don't charge for it. You're cutting your toes off with the shovel before you even get started.
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Old 04-10-2014, 10:11 PM
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Its tought to get help here, althought Im solo and plan to stay that way.

I see what the big players are doing and in My aera they don't bill laborors no where near 60$ pe hour, its closer to 18$.
Big guys here go cheap on the maintenance and make up the difference on install and irrigation, flowers etc...18 bucks is not worth the effort
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Old 04-10-2014, 10:12 PM
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That is one of my points it a target that's all look at it 25 to 30 min $40 per cut ,80 plus an hr. Done the best are the small properties with no gate 7 to 10 min 25$ Per cut125 to 150 per hr done.
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