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Old 05-11-2014, 08:45 AM
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Rock is merely for decoration and to take up space.

Rock in and of it's self does nothing to "prevent weeds"

Mulch retains moisture, rock does not.

Government spec's are misguided and in no way reflect any kind of Green Industry Norm, any more than home depot dictates trends.

In many cases I see geo text (which replies water) covered by rocks for a planting bed… huh…how are the plants supposed to get water?

If people just learned how to use Dimension or Snap shot, treflan or any of the others, we wouldn't have this mess.

Too many "landscapers" not having chem licenses or knowing anything about applications (IMO)
Mulch holds pest
Mulch doesn't let the ground breathe
Rock beds is easier to treat for pest
Mulch beds is harder to treat for pest

In the Lawn I have year contacts I don't have problem with weeds
Not much problem in beds

Now Tree rings the mulch rings and Rock rings is different story they get treated about once a month for weeds I guess since its smaller area its hard keep clippings from getting in the them
We run OCDC on mower I teach my guys to shut them on every pass when pointing at the tree ring but have wind factor play with
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Old 05-11-2014, 09:50 AM
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Mulch holds pest
So does rock and fabric.

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Mulch doesn't let the ground breathe
Not true, and even if it were, fabric is considerably worse.

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Rock beds is easier to treat for pest
Perhaps, what pests are we talking about?

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Mulch beds is harder to treat for pest
Why? Is it more or less difficult to manage pests that live under rocks or under mulch? Could you please provide some insight on this because customers of mine who have pest treatment services come out on a regular schedule that is not in anyway dictated by the landscape.

TPendagast is spot on in his assessment in post #23.

Fact of the matter is, the type of mulch used should be dictated by the plant requirements. Fabric under organic mulches is a waste of money and does not in any way lead to a healthy soil. One of the main benefits of an organic mulch IS its decomposition, and if you are replacing organic mulch on a yearly basis then you are not doing it right to begin with.
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Old 05-11-2014, 10:59 AM
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Tell more why you think its a scam

I tell you Mulch is the biggest scam You have replace it every year That's waste of money Put rock down
I honestly thought you were being sarcastic when I first read this. This is almost like saying that food is the biggest scam because you have to go shopping every week. Please do some research.
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Old 05-11-2014, 11:29 AM
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So does rock and fabric.



Not true, and even if it were, fabric is considerably worse.



Perhaps, what pests are we talking about?



Why? Is it more or less difficult to manage pests that live under rocks or under mulch? Could you please provide some insight on this because customers of mine who have pest treatment services come out on a regular schedule that is not in anyway dictated by the landscape.

TPendagast is spot on in his assessment in post #23.

Fact of the matter is, the type of mulch used should be dictated by the plant requirements. Fabric under organic mulches is a waste of money and does not in any way lead to a healthy soil. One of the main benefits of an organic mulch IS its decomposition, and if you are replacing organic mulch on a yearly basis then you are not doing it right to begin with.
Moles Treating for grubs is easier with rock Vs mulch
Treating mulch for grubs you need a spray probe to inject in the ground
using dry grub control is more effective with rock VS mulch The rock lets it filter down to the ground. Mulch soaks it up and doesn't let it filter to the ground
Most lawn guys only treats the lawn for grubs they forget there are grubs in the beds
Mulch doesn't let the ground breathe thats a common fact
and decaying mulch will hold termites that's a fact
That's why I remove old mulch every 3 years here and that's why I put Fabric down makes easier to remove the old mulch.

Hey if you don't have my problems in your area then do it your way .

I done a bed redo it was a mulch bed and I killed 12 moles I installed river rock back This bed was 5'x45' and on the same lawn I was redoing a Rock bed was no moles So right there shows mulch holds moles That's my selling point on rock and Customer wanted mulch back but after seeing the difference between the 2 beds. She went with rock in all the beds
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Old 05-11-2014, 11:32 AM
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I honestly thought you were being sarcastic when I first read this. This is almost like saying that food is the biggest scam because you have to go shopping every week. Please do some research.
My research is from 33 years in the business
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IMO, you need to check your "facts" Snyder
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Old 05-11-2014, 07:07 PM
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IMO, you need to check your "facts" Snyder
Its my facts I don't care what a book says I never do things from the book anyway
There is some things you cant learn from a book learn from hands on and having common sense
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Old 05-12-2014, 08:07 AM
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I go by what spec's say I do a lot Government work I fallow the spec's

I try talk people out of mulch talk them in going Rock

No benefits in mulch just to suck $$ out your customers pockets

At least with fabric under mulch you can clean out the mulch out the beds easy
These days River Rock is cheaper then mulch when you buy the color mulch
around here it is
This would explain the "Snyder's Lawn Inc" vs. landscape management or some such moniker.

You are so wrong, it's not even funny.

You don't even understand the multitude of benefits of mulch. Scary that you proclaim your experience as wisdom.

Because apparently you have about 33 years of mistaken experience.

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So does rock and fabric.



Not true, and even if it were, fabric is considerably worse.



Perhaps, what pests are we talking about?



Why? Is it more or less difficult to manage pests that live under rocks or under mulch? Could you please provide some insight on this because customers of mine who have pest treatment services come out on a regular schedule that is not in anyway dictated by the landscape.

TPendagast is spot on in his assessment in post #23.

Fact of the matter is, the type of mulch used should be dictated by the plant requirements. Fabric under organic mulches is a waste of money and does not in any way lead to a healthy soil. One of the main benefits of an organic mulch IS its decomposition, and if you are replacing organic mulch on a yearly basis then you are not doing it right to begin with.
Kiril, sometimes you can be an arse, and other times you are dead on right.

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My research is from 33 years in the business
You might want to try some better research.
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Old 05-12-2014, 08:15 AM
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Its my facts I don't care what a book says I never do things from the book anyway
There is some things you cant learn from a book learn from hands on and having common sense
Actually, you do. You said you follow the gov't specs without trying to educate anybody.
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Old 05-12-2014, 08:16 AM
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This would explain the "Snyder's Lawn Inc" vs. landscape management or some such moniker.

You are so wrong, it's not even funny.

You don't even understand the multitude of benefits of mulch. Scary that you proclaim your experience as wisdom.

Because apparently you have about 33 years of mistaken experience.



Kiril, sometimes you can be an arse, and other times you are dead on right.



You might want to try some better research.
Everybody has there own opinion you do it your way and I do it my way you think your way is right and I think my way it right
Only thing matter is the beds my beds are healthy the way I take care of them That's all that matters
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