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Old 04-18-2012, 01:06 AM
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HB5228 when it passes will change the threshold for compliance with federal DOT rules to 26,001 and up which is the Federal level except for certain vehicles in intrastate commerce. That includes current regulations including cell phone use, medical card etc. It passed the house unanimously and is now in the Senate transportation committee. I'm sure there are state vehicle codes on the books but when this passes vehicles under 26,000 will not be held to the federal standard.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news - trust me, I'd love this bill to end all the regs as much as anyone - but please read the language of the bill itself. Google "Michigan HB5228" and find it on the legislature site. Section 1a(3) is the changed portion, and the wording is very confusing but clear in its intent. What is being passed is not what we are all hoping for. It only exempts vehicles under the 26k threshold from Sections 390, 395 & 396 of the Federal Motor Carrier Act. In broad terms, these sections only cover 1) the requirement to have a US DOT number, 2) Drivers hours of service, and 3) Inspection and maintenance reporting. The bill explicitly keeps Sections 391, 392 and 393 of the FMCA in place for all trucks over 10k lbs. These are the sections regulating, in general, 1) medical cards for the drivers, 2) roadside equipment inspections, including fire extinguishers & triangles, brakes, towing, lamps, etc, and 3) the cell phone prohibition.

Sorry, but we are all being royally screwed here. The only real benefit this "relief" we were promised is going to change in our daily lives is the the DOT numbers can come off the trucks. Nothing else will change and we are still going to get victimized by the CE officers just as bad as ever.

There is a second bill that the Farm Bureau is lobbying for that would make these tickets all "fix-its" and take any fine money away from the local level. This is the one we need to pass to actually change the problems we are facing. Unfortunately, this second bill has not even been introduced yet and at the moment has a near zero chance of going through. If we have any chance at all, everyone needs to talk to their rep & senator and explain how we are getting screwed over, how HB5228 does nothing to help us, and what we need to get true relief.

The Republicans have dominating control over the Michigan Senate, which gives me hope that by some slim chance someone will amend this bill in senate committee and make it work for us. HB5228 as passed is absolute crap. If you care about this, keep watching this bill's progress in senate committee and urge your own senator to amend this bill. If you belong to the MNLA, they are lobbying for us -- call them and tell them how this bill needs to be fixed before it passes through the senate committee.
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Old 04-18-2012, 01:52 PM
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Yeah, I know.

Too bad more of the public "servants" don't uphold their vows to obey the Constitution. Starting with the president and moving right on to Congress. Right down to the weigh master, etc.

I do feel bad for you guys, all the state motor carrier and weighmasters on this side of the state are decent, for the most part. There was one a-hole in Wyoming, but he hasn't been too bad of late. He was learning on the job, taking half hour to 45 minutes to find something in his book to write people up for. He didn't even know the laws. There is one jerk out of Wayland post that has made life miserable for some of the commercial trucks down that way.

You guys contact the city commissioners and state reps\senators to complain about these jackwagons? If not, it might be worth a try.
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Old 04-18-2012, 05:45 PM
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Old 04-18-2012, 09:34 PM
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news - trust me, I'd love this bill to end all the regs as much as anyone - but please read the language of the bill itself. Google "Michigan HB5228" and find it on the legislature site. Section 1a(3) is the changed portion, and the wording is very confusing but clear in its intent. What is being passed is not what we are all hoping for. It only exempts vehicles under the 26k threshold from Sections 390, 395 & 396 of the Federal Motor Carrier Act. In broad terms, these sections only cover 1) the requirement to have a US DOT number, 2) Drivers hours of service, and 3) Inspection and maintenance reporting. The bill explicitly keeps Sections 391, 392 and 393 of the FMCA in place for all trucks over 10k lbs. These are the sections regulating, in general, 1) medical cards for the drivers, 2) roadside equipment inspections, including fire extinguishers & triangles, brakes, towing, lamps, etc, and 3) the cell phone prohibition.

Sorry, but we are all being royally screwed here. The only real benefit this "relief" we were promised is going to change in our daily lives is the the DOT numbers can come off the trucks. Nothing else will change and we are still going to get victimized by the CE officers just as bad as ever.

There is a second bill that the Farm Bureau is lobbying for that would make these tickets all "fix-its" and take any fine money away from the local level. This is the one we need to pass to actually change the problems we are facing. Unfortunately, this second bill has not even been introduced yet and at the moment has a near zero chance of going through. If we have any chance at all, everyone needs to talk to their rep & senator and explain how we are getting screwed over, how HB5228 does nothing to help us, and what we need to get true relief.

The Republicans have dominating control over the Michigan Senate, which gives me hope that by some slim chance someone will amend this bill in senate committee and make it work for us. HB5228 as passed is absolute crap. If you care about this, keep watching this bill's progress in senate committee and urge your own senator to amend this bill. If you belong to the MNLA, they are lobbying for us -- call them and tell them how this bill needs to be fixed before it passes through the senate committee.
Maybe I am reading it wrong but when you read the bill it says "390 through 393, 395 through 399" so 394 would be the only one missing in the range of numbers you mentioned. I was not at the meeting in lansing in march but my brother was there and he said all this was covered. The mnla and farm bureau both were there in support.

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Old 04-18-2012, 11:12 PM
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Maybe I am reading it wrong but when you read the bill it says "390 through 393, 395 through 399" so 394 would be the only one missing in the range of numbers you mentioned. I was not at the meeting in lansing in march but my brother was there and he said all this was covered. The mnla and farm bureau both were there in support.

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There is no section 394 in the FMCA, for whatever reason. The devil is in the phrase "A vehicle to which this Act does not apply under this subsection..." [that would be trucks under 26k lbs] "remains subject to...Parts 391 through 393". Really horrible phrasing that only a lawyer could love, but it means that all trucks over the 10k limit must still comply with sections 391-393 of the FMCA. Those are the sections that have the big money fines attached.

There was a lot of great things discussed at the House committee meeting that didn't ultimately end up in the law as written. At one point there was a transcript of this meeting available online -- I haven't looked for it in a while, but I'm sure it would pull up in a search. The MNLA & Farm Bureau are definitely in support of this bill, taking the approach that something is better than nothing, but I'm telling you that this bill is not what was sold to us & we need to push back on our lobbyists so they know that this is not good enough. We are only going to get one bite at the apple on this subject -- once this bill passes, there will be no second round to help us out.
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Old 04-18-2012, 11:30 PM
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Maybe I am reading it wrong but when you read the bill it says "390 through 393, 395 through 399" so 394 would be the only one missing in the range of numbers you mentioned. I was not at the meeting in lansing in march but my brother was there and he said all this was covered. The mnla and farm bureau both were there in support.

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FMCA 394 does not exist today - reserved for future use. Section 397 are the hazmat trucking laws that shouldn't apply to any of us anyway. Section 398 are the rules governing transport of migrant farm workers. And Section 399 covers driver safety rules for big rigs -- position of handles on the cab & things like that. Sections 390, 395 and 396 are the only parts being repealed that really apply to any of us, and these just don't cover a whole lot of what we all really care about.
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Old 04-19-2012, 12:00 AM
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Old 04-19-2012, 07:26 AM
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Old 04-19-2012, 10:14 AM
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Sunrize Irrigation - 734-878-1369, ask for Mike. You won't find anyone better on this side of town.
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