Register free!
Search
 
     

Click for Weather
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 09-11-2003, 12:10 PM
GroundKprs GroundKprs is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: South Bend, IN
Posts: 1,969
Re: Hypothetical lawn install

Quote:
Originally posted by dan deutekom
For all of you organic guys. Going to install a new seeded lawn. Bring in good top soil ammended with all the right organic stuff.
What is the "right organic stuff" for trying to grow turf? Anyone use wood? Wood is basically lignin, which takes a long time to decay compared to soft tissue. Just have to be careful with your C-N ratios. Best time to modify growing environment is before plants are installed.
__________________
Jim
North central Indiana
<a href="http://members.aol.com/groundkprs/Entry/Educate.html">Learn About Turfgrass</a>
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-11-2003, 07:24 PM
dan deutekom's Avatar
dan deutekom dan deutekom is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Millbrook, Ontario
Posts: 424
Hand pull the weeds. Maybe on a 30' x 30' lawn but it isn't practical on a couple of acres of lawn. Live with the weeds. Life is to short to tolerate a poor lawn. I don't think my clients would be very happy spending thousands of dollars just to make a weed field. Sterilized soil....$$$$$$$$. Most topsoil around here is scraped off of new subdivision projects and then screened. Lots of weed seed. Besides dosn't sterilization defeat the purpose of organic care?

It is amazing what 1 lawn spray can do to renovate a poor lawn. In fact I have turned rundown pastures into acceptable lawns by doing a couple of weed sprays, fertilizer program, and overseeding. After one season it looks like a proper lawn.

PS: Would like to hear from some cool season grass guys. I don't have the luxury of having more than 5 months growing season
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-11-2003, 08:04 PM
Enjoy Life Ronnie's Avatar
Enjoy Life Ronnie Enjoy Life Ronnie is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Wichita Falls, Tx.
Posts: 18
My lawn is only 2,600 square feet so 50# should be a good start and at $4.50 a bag it's dirt cheap. I'm sure hoping for good results so I can have a nice lawn without really trying.
I used a coffee can and just flung it everywhere. Do the rest of you use a spreader? I don't even have one.
Regardless the result I intend to use cornmeal every 90 days for one full year to give it a fair test.
__________________
Ronnie
Eagle Spray
"Life is great if you don't struggle."
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-11-2003, 08:33 PM
Enjoy Life Ronnie's Avatar
Enjoy Life Ronnie Enjoy Life Ronnie is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Wichita Falls, Tx.
Posts: 18
About 40 years ago we used plain old dirt then added perlite, vermiculite and sand to make potting soil. I have no idea what they use now? But that would cost too much anyway. LOL

About that same time (1964) I went to the sanitation dept. and they gave me a big old truckload of dried human waste. I spread it on my lawn and watered it in best I could. My next door neighbor had a swamp bucket cooler in his bedroom window and was a little upset about the smell. So I didn't use it again. But the tomatoes came up everywhere and the neighborhood kids
found a lot of large balloons in my yard.

But the grass didn't improve much so I just gave up and took up golf.
__________________
Ronnie
Eagle Spray
"Life is great if you don't struggle."
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-11-2003, 08:42 PM
yardmonkey yardmonkey is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Norman, Oklahoma
Posts: 337
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I used a coffee can and just flung it everywhere. Do the rest of you use a spreader? I don't even have one. "
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's one of the cool things about organic fertilizers - you can use your hands! I have applied lots of comost and other stuff by hand. I usually put it in a 5-gal bucket and walk around throwing out handfuls.

If you're just doing your own lawn and its not large, you don't need to buy a spreader. But for a larger lawn or lots of lawns or if time is an issue (like if you're getting paid) then it can be very useful to use a spreader. Also it is better to have an even distribution, which you can't easily achieve by hand. But this is not as important as it is with strong chemicals.

But most spreaders are made to apply standard fertilizer pellets which are granulated to fit the spreaders. Lots of organic materials will not work in most spreaders. Every garage has one or two Scott's spreaders - usually not working. I couldn't bring myself to buy that plastic garbage for $29.95 so I paid a little more ($45.00) and got one sold by Fertilome. Works fine with stuff like Milorganite (if you remove the agitator pin) or anything that's granulated. Did OK with alfalfa pellets. But compost - no way.

The A.M. Leonard catalog ( http://www.amleo.com ) has lots of commercial spreaders. They range from $50 to maybe over a $1000. There is one that they claim will apply anything that can be used on turf - the Spyker Mulch-n-More. It costs $560!

There is some stuff sold around here called Humore, which is composted cattle manure and alfalfa. The company provides a special spreader to some of its dealers. It is a large metal cylinder with holes in it. You just pull it around and the stuff falls out the holes. I haven't used one.

Grass seed can be broadcast by hand, but this is an example of something that is best applied in a very even, controlled way.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-11-2003, 11:33 PM
Popsicle's Avatar
Popsicle Popsicle is offline
LawnSite Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Western Washington
Posts: 189
Quote:
Originally posted by dan deutekom

PS: Would like to hear from some cool season grass guys. I don't have the luxury of having more than 5 months growing season
I would be one of those.

I just applied cracked corn to a portion of a clients yard (with her approval, of course). I spread 500/f2 in the sun and another 500/f2 in the shade. Both areas have ajoining turf untreated for comparison. Though late in the season, I expect to see some results. We just started to get some much needed rain so that should help.
__________________
-Russ
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-13-2003, 02:15 PM
timturf timturf is offline
LawnSite Bronze Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: central virgina, transition, plant hardy zone 7a, and heat index zone 7
Posts: 1,526
My question is " what is topsoil"?

I define topsoil " the soil thats at the top of the earth"

could be pure sand to hard pan clay, so when buying topsoil, what are you buying?
__________________
Timothy J Murphy Specializing in Quality Turf
Bs in Plant and Soil Science
Almost 40 yrs exp., 20 as GC superintendent
Primarly work with cool season turf
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-14-2003, 05:33 PM
Green in Idaho Green in Idaho is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Idaho
Posts: 833
Fresh soil in a new yard?

IF you have enough time, don't plant the seeds right away. Let the weed seeds germinate and grow, then they'll be easy to eradicate. Wait again until it's obvious the weeds seeds are taken care of, then seed with grass.

Organic methods take more TIME...
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-14-2003, 06:26 PM
dan deutekom's Avatar
dan deutekom dan deutekom is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Millbrook, Ontario
Posts: 424
Re: Hypothetical lawn install

Quote:
Originally posted by dan deutekom
Also lets not make it that you apply organics to kill the emerging weeds and then seed 3 weeks later because the season is just to short for that sort of nonsense.
Remember time matters
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-14-2003, 08:09 PM
Green in Idaho Green in Idaho is offline
LawnSite Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Idaho
Posts: 833
Oops, sorry I missed that point in the original post...

If time is the controlling factor, and if you want everything NOW, organics is NOT going to work well.

The "I want it green tomorrow" mentality is what created the lawn chem business..
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump





Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1998 - 2012, LawnSite.comô - Moose River Media
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:09 AM.

Page generated in 0.10720 seconds with 7 queries