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Old 03-20-2004, 05:06 PM
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Sorry, I guess I could have said it in a nicer way. But, it is still my opinion that they are overpriced for a set of blades. You dont have to own a set to say they cost too much.
Please read the guidelines Sean set forth some time back.

"If you have never owned or used (at great length) a product offered by one of the sponsors, you are not permitted to comment on the value, validity, or effectiveness of these products or services."

How can your opinion be warranted when you have absolutely NO sense of their value?

If those blades cost $1,000 and using them increases your bottom line (more money) .... then, they must be worth $1,000.
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Old 03-20-2004, 05:13 PM
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Sorry Sean,
If you allow sponsors to start the "testimonial" thing, I believe it's a step in the wrong direction. Next, they'll be up loading "8x10 glossies with a description of each on the back", plus anything else at Alice’s Restaurant”.
Sponsors should keep their “Sponsoring” to their websites, and not start loading our bandwidth with Testimonials”. What’s next? Do we allow “Ron Popel” and his paid audience to marvel at how well his “Ginsu knives” cut a tomato????
DP
Hey Doc, thats what sponsers do!! Try an sell their products. If I was a sponser, you better believe I would be on here non stop trying to sell my products. I would be uploading 8x10's too!
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Old 03-20-2004, 05:24 PM
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[BHuh? They sponsor to have a presence on LawnSite.com. Sponsor interaction is AWESOME! If all mfg's spent as much time and interaction on LawnSite.com as Meg-Mo they would take full advantage of their advertising dollars. [/B]
Granted Brad was a bit over the top, but I’m talking about testimonials giving by the MFG’s. Currently, a testimonial is about as good as how far you can throw it. Do we really want to see all the MFG’s adding customer testimonials to every topic posted?
Furthermore, what PJ, Terry and other MFG’s offer is product “information and clarification” and not unfounded customer opinion. If we let testimonials abound, to “abide by the laws of Lawnsite”, each testimonial “should” also include the “creditability and product usage” of said customer, too.
Sadly, you allowed UL “for some time” to give testimonials about how the H bar worked, its shortcomings, and the superiority of ECS controls.
Then, he finally admitted he actually had no real “hands on” experience with the H bar. And, what did you guy’s do???? Nothing! In fact, most people listened to this person.
So, since you guy’s don’t have enough time to police all the posts and keep them on the “up and up”, I suggest you’ll only make matter worse for everyone by allowing ridiculous testimonials made by possibly paid “Infomercialists”.
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Old 03-20-2004, 05:31 PM
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Pete,

We have a lot of companies that approach us about being sponsors at the site. Contrary to what some may believe, we do not accept anyone with an open checkbook as a sponsor. I have turned down plenty for various reasons. But it is also important to know that when we do set up sponsorship, they have rules they have to abide by as well - one of them being.....rambling on and on, posting pic after pic, wasting people's time and not delivering on what they promise and so on.

I have not seen any glossies in the past year posted here, there, and everywhere.....

And in regard to the idea that we are attempting to limit free-speech or any of that nonsense, well.....that's what it is - nonsense. Like I said, and Chuck said, if you buy the product and afterwards you feel a certain way, feel free to say what's on your mind. That's why this site is here. But simply stating that the blades are overpriced is far too general and unfair.

If those blades save 5 minutes a lawn (for example) on each cut, with 100 lawns mowed 30 times a year, that is a savings of 15,000 minutes in a season - or 250 hours!

If you are paying out just one employee at $10 per hour (not to mention taxes and insurance), you are saving $2,500.00!

Or, look at it this way....if you are billing out at $35 per man hour and you now have 250 extra hours because of the time the blades have saved you, that is an additional $8,750 in revenue!

So....am I saying the blades will save you 5 minutes a lawn on every cut - not exactly. Have I heard people say this in round-about ways - Yes.

So even if the blades were $1,000 for a set, would you still deem them "overpriced"?
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Old 03-20-2004, 05:34 PM
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Please read the guidelines Sean set forth some time back.

"If you have never owned or used (at great length) a product offered by one of the sponsors, you are not permitted to comment on the value, validity, or effectiveness of these products or services."

How can your opinion be warranted when you have absolutely NO sense of their value?

If those blades cost $1,000 and using them increases your bottom line (more money) .... then, they must be worth $1,000.
I have to disagree with you here chuck. Just because you haven't used a product, doesn't mean you cant voice an opinion. The opinion should however be a constructive one.

ie.. I can buy 6 sets of high lifts for my 60" rider for that same price, an they will last me 2 years. I live in Ct where rocks are prevalent everywhere, and I can garantee meg mo's will not last a year without having to replace knives.

I also refer to the fact that my dealer is within a rocks throw from my house, an treats me like a king. He also sells high lifts. If I buy 3 sets he will throw in a free set usually. Should I shrug off my dealer to replace my blades with meg mo's? I would rather put money in my dealers pocket for the same money.

Meg Mo's might very well be the bomb, but when it comes to buisness, an scratch my back. I'll scratch yours. My dealer warrants every dime I spend. The more I spend with him, the better the benefits get. This is just my opinion..

Forums are for voicing opinions, as long as they are constructive. There is a fine line between flaming, an voicing your opinion. Members need to decifer this fine line, an act accordingly. If it gets to the point where they cant be voiced, I think members will look elsewhere in order to get thier opinions heard.
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Old 03-20-2004, 05:39 PM
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Pete,

I was writing the post above while you must have been writing your response about Mfg testimonials and then mentioning "UL".

I could have sworn I made myself clear a few weeks ago, but apparently I did not. So here it is one last time for you Doc Pete, aka Switchless, aka Pete....

If you do not like the way this site is run please, join the selected few who have drifted elsewhere.

You have a knack for turning anything and everything into a discussion about a former member. Does it bother you that much? I mean, come on, are you really that upset about someone that you have to mention his name every chance you get?

This thread is about Meg-Mo, and it needs to return to Meg-Mo. If you don't want to post, then don't.
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Old 03-20-2004, 05:42 PM
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We have a lot of companies that approach us about being sponsors at the site
Sean,
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but Megmo posted a "testimonial" from a customer. Nothing more was said. I'm saying this is just a bad thing to begin allowing. I don't care about price or product, I care about the unfounded testimonial from someone we know nothing about...........period. In fact, for all we know this is made up garbage....... That's what I'm complaining about.
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Old 03-20-2004, 06:15 PM
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Granted Brad was a bit over the top, but I’m talking about testimonials giving by the MFG’s. Currently, a testimonial is about as good as how far you can throw it. Do we really want to see all the MFG’s adding customer testimonials to every topic posted?
Furthermore, what PJ, Terry and other MFG’s offer is product “information and clarification” and not unfounded customer opinion. If we let testimonials abound, to “abide by the laws of Lawnsite”, each testimonial “should” also include the “creditability and product usage” of said customer, too.
Sadly, you allowed UL “for some time” to give testimonials about how the H bar worked, its shortcomings, and the superiority of ECS controls.
Then, he finally admitted he actually had no real “hands on” experience with the H bar. And, what did you guy’s do???? Nothing! In fact, most people listened to this person.
So, since you guy’s don’t have enough time to police all the posts and keep them on the “up and up”, I suggest you’ll only make matter worse for everyone by allowing ridiculous testimonials made by possibly paid “Infomercialists”.
DP
"Currently, a testimonial is about as good as how far you can throw it."

testimonials are widely used by all kinds of companies.... (example: http://www.thinkhost.com/ , check the bottom left of their website... I trust that testimonial because I trust the company ThinkHost.) ... a testimonial is as good as the company representing it. .... that's why LawnSite.com features companies Sean trusts. So, your statement about it being as good as how far you can throw it is wrong. Meg-Mo is a company you can trust.... end of that.

" Do we really want to see all the MFG’s adding customer testimonials to every topic posted?"

Do you see all the MFG's adding customer testimonials to every topic posted? Have you thought.. MAYBE.. Meg-Mo is exploring different advertising avenues. Sponsors have lots of advertising and interaction opportunities.... It's refreshing to see Meg-Mo offering up a new approach .... I hope they have more ideas for future self-endorsement.

"If we let testimonials abound, to “abide by the laws of Lawnsite”, each testimonial “should” also include the “creditability and product usage” of said customer, too."

This is not my department... I don't set guidelines.., etc., etc. BUT, I'm sure Meg-Mo will read feedback and use it for their benefit and the community.

"Sadly, you allowed UL “for some time” to give testimonials about how the H bar worked, its shortcomings, and the superiority of ECS controls."

Don't point fingers at me .... I have never allowed UL to do anything... I have never given him a second thought.... maybe one of the administrators has .... but, I don't think ANYONE on LawnSite.com dwells on UL as much as you... apparently you have a personal problem with UL... enough said.

"So, since you guy’s don’t have enough time to police all the posts and keep them on the “up and up”

I can't speak for the other administrators but your right about me .... I average about 250 emails daily ... many/most require a reply about 'general' LawnSite.com support/feedback ... so, most of my time is taken up by that ... not to mention PlowSite, WeldingWeb ... and all the other LawnSite stuff .. (ie; this reply) Generally, I only 'police' threads that I notice. I only receive email notification to new posts/threads in the support forum & used equipment forum.

" I suggest you’ll only make matter worse for everyone by allowing ridiculous testimonials made by possibly paid “Infomercialists"

ridiculous testimonial? I have read over that testimonial several times and found nothing remotely close to ridiculous.

Are you trying to blatantly state that Meg-Mo is some sort of "infomercialist" (btw, is that a word?) or company that would lie to the LawnSite.com community via a fake testimonial? Say it ain't so!!! Slander is not appreciated.... I can't speak for Meg-Mo but I'm sure they take libelous slander serious.

Respectively,
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Old 03-20-2004, 06:17 PM
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sean had already replied while I was typing
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Old 03-20-2004, 06:28 PM
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"If you have never owned or used (at great length) a product offered by one of the sponsors, you are not permitted to comment on the value, validity, or effectiveness of these products or services."



What are you trying to accomplish by this rule? This means that half of the posts on this forum should be pulled. People comment all the time on stuff they do not own.
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