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Old 04-26-2004, 01:33 PM
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Program advice

I live in Northern Ontario and have started a "all natural" lawncare company. I will outline my program below and would appreciatte any concerns or advice.
Thanks in advance. Don
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Old 04-26-2004, 04:49 PM
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Well, Here is your program in a nutshell -- am I right?

Spring -- 20#/m (3-1-5) = .06-.02-1.0
June -- 15#/m (10-0-0) = 1.5-00-0
July -- 15#/m (10-0-0) = 1.5-00-0
Fall -- 15#/m(3-1-5) = .45-.01- .75
ANNUAL TOTAL NUTRIENTS = 3.5 - .03 - 1.75


Seems a little low on the potash. Also, 85% of its nitrogen is being applied in the Summer. It's slow release will help that (16 weeks I beleive) but I would still think you wouldn't want that much nitrogen being reelase in early summer.

Do you really need to overseed annually on all lawns?

Is 435.00 a realalistic price in your market? That over $100/app for a lawn that most would price at $30 with a conventional program.
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Old 04-26-2004, 06:25 PM
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My product cost are about $65.00/1000ft2. So basic program for 2500 ft2 is 65x2.5=$162.50+$60.00 aeration+$60.00 to overseed = $282.50 Therefore the program cost @ $435.00 less the $282.50 is $152.50 divided by 4 visits (minimum) gives me about $38.00 labor per visit. This includes the extra labour to deal with the weeds. (also fuel expenses). I understand the price is high, it is approx. double of anyone else. I am the only pesticide free company and I don't want to underprice myself to a point where I can't afford to service my customers properly.
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Old 04-26-2004, 07:15 PM
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don't think the organic fert will last longer than 8 weeks!

Way too much n in summer
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Old 04-26-2004, 07:44 PM
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Old 04-26-2004, 08:38 PM
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I appreciate the input. My C.G.M. is 7-1-2 (if that makes a difference)
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Old 04-26-2004, 09:41 PM
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So that would change your program to

Spring -- 20#/m (3-1-5) = .06-.02-1.0
June -- 15#/m (7-1-2) = 1.05-.15-.3
July -- 15#/m (7-1-2) = 1.05-.15-.3
Fall -- 15#/m(3-1-5) = .45-.01- .75
ANNUAL TOTAL NUTRIENTS = 2.6 - .65 - 2.35


Still getting 80% or more of its nitrogen in the summer when it doesn't need to be fed. I see this as the main drawbag to CGM -- poor nutrient timing.
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Old 04-26-2004, 10:39 PM
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Is the 15#'s of cgm twice a season sufficient to control weeds? In year two I plan to use 15#'s 3 times! spring thru summer. Also will the verticutting in the spring stop any weeds?
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Old 04-26-2004, 11:07 PM
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I have no experience or knowledge of CGM's effective controls -- but I have "heard" numbers that were much larger than 15#'s.

How would verticutting remove weeds. If anything -- it will help them grow.
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Cenlo,
Are you trying to avoid using manure-based products in your program? A similar nutrient program using manure-based products would run about $11.00 - 12.00 / M (excluding weed controls and grass seed).
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