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Old 05-26-2004, 05:22 PM
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Selective bentgrass control

In reading the articles linked below, I am curious as to what my chances are of obtaining either of the products, called Callisto® made by Syngenta or Balance Pro® made by Bayer. Can I call company reps and purchase it? Will they sell to unlicensed homeowners?

Or can a local LCO obtain these and apply it for me for a price?

I am desperate for a selective control for creeping bentgrass in my KBG. I already killed the entire turfstand once last fall, reseeded and am now finding that there are spots of the bentgrass coming back. These products are not yet registered for turfgrass applications but seem to show great promise in selectively controlling perennial grassy weeds in cool season grasses. Thanks.

http://www.turfweeds.net/fm/creeping_bentgrass.pdf

http://www.turfweeds.net/fm/creepin...ass_control.pdf
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Old 05-27-2004, 11:48 PM
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Are you sure you have creeping bentgrass, or could it be poa annua?
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Old 05-28-2004, 12:14 AM
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You can kill it but it will be back, if your neighbor has it you will too
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:25 AM
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Thanks for the replies. I have some poa annua as well, but this is definitely bent. Controlling the bent worries me more than the poa, although I know both are tough to get a handle on. Neighbor does not have it, but I do.

Noone seems to want to answer my question about those two products. The research seems to be very promising as to eventually having a selective control for this very difficult to control grass. I understand that I am just a homeowner, but someone could offer me some info without actually breaking the law or telling me to break the law. I realize that that products are not registered for use on turfgrass. Can I somehow get my hands on these products legally?


http://www.turfweeds.net/fm/creeping...ss_control.pdf
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Old 05-28-2004, 12:39 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by CT John
[B]Thanks for the replies. I have some poa annua as well, but this is definitely bent. Controlling the bent worries me more than the poa, although I know both are tough to get a handle on. Neighbor does not have it, but I do.

Noone seems to want to answer my question about those two products. The research seems to be very promising as to eventually having a selective control for this very difficult to control grass. I understand that I am just a homeowner, but someone could offer me some info without actually breaking the law or telling me to break the law. I realize that that products are not registered for use on turfgrass. Can I somehow get my hands on these products legally?


John,

After all most 20 years in this business I cant tell you how many times a new product came out claiming to do something, and telling us about all these studies that showed results, but never worked in the real world. So I wouldnt put too much faith in how well these products may work once they become registered for turf.

Bent is a very big problem in my area as well, ( in KBG ) I sell alot of Round up then slice seeding for this problem, and It always seems to come creeping back ( pun intended ).

So if round up cant solve the problem, not to sure if anything else will.

Can you get the product legally? I think you know the answer to that.

You could call the researcher and offer them to treat your lawn as part of their research.
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Old 05-28-2004, 02:27 PM
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James, thank you for the reply. I appreciate it.
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Old 05-29-2004, 09:29 AM
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Pre-M 60% @ 1.5# AI/A
Threeway Selective @ 1.5 oz/M
Acclaim @ 1 oz/M

Twice each spring 8 weeks apart.

Bent won't die. But it won't spread either.
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Old 05-29-2004, 11:57 AM
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Where is the bent coming from?

Buy quality BLUE TAG SEED, minimize the chance that it includes bent seed

I also agree with tremot, that a trimec NOT label for bent grass would put a hurt on it!

TREMOR,
Is acclaim label for anything at 1oz/m?
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Old 05-29-2004, 06:37 PM
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Not any more. .9 oz/M. Sorry.

Bent just happens here in CT. It makes no difference what type of seed we start with. We have too many golf course to not have bent. Throw in some irrigation, & every lawn has some. All we have to do is provide some decent maintence & Fairfiled & Westchester County lawns always show Bent in time.

Plus years ago, Bent was a regular constituent of all better seed mixtures. Remember Chlordane, Locke mowers & twice anual lawn rolling? Bent/Fescue seed blends were the poop back then.

Selective postemergent controls will be very popular once registered & commercially available. I'll put the feelers out next week.
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Old 06-01-2004, 09:51 AM
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Thanks for the replies guys. The bent seed was most likely mixed in with the hydroseeding I had done to establish a new lawn back in 99. Since then it just got worse every year until it became about 50% or more of my lawn. Looked terrible during the hot weather of summer when all the patches browned out. Up until a couple years ago I knew nothing about it. At least now I know what to look for and can keep up with it before it gets out of control. Of course thats until the RR varieties get out of control. Thanks for the tips tremor.
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