I didn't assume it was Hyvar, I just told my story. I didn't doubt you. In IA we can still buy 2,4-d in a 2.5 gal at Farm and Fleet. It's crazy expensive there. So is the glyph stuff they have. Anyone here can spray household hazardous anything on there onw property, and yes lots of places sell that stuff. A kid could walk into F&F and buy pesticides here. No problem. Not using according to label can get anyone in trouble would be my guess. IDALS don't like fish kills.