1 Ton Trucks

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by AtoZ, Jan 1, 2008.

  1. AtoZ

    AtoZ LawnSite Member
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    OK Here we go...

    Just a quick thought before I ring in the new year.

    Looking into buying another tow rig and small dump truck. I've decide to get a one ton due to cost. I currently have a 06 F-150 crew, 05 V-10 F-250 and a 03 6.0 F-550. Local towing handled by the f-250, long distance handled by the f-550.

    I've pretty much decided not to buy another Ford. Mainly due because I've never had anything else. I drove an 08 1 ton chevy dump with a 10 foot body with an auto Duramax. Cheap Price - $34,000 out the door. Tons of power great tranny... Hated sitting 10 inches off the ground. Visibility was very poor, and cab was cramped inside. Other than that great diesel truck...

    Drove a 08 F-550 with a 12' dump, auto 6.4 diesel. $43,000 out the door. I have a bad feeling with all this " great technology " under the hood. Drove ok, good visibility, feels and drives like a truck... I only worry about maintenance issues down the road.

    Drove a new 10 miles, 2007 Dodge 1 ton cab & chassis with the 6.7 cummins and 6 speed manual. Loved the truck, like a Ford but better. I'm biased towards the Cummins... The Dodge 5500 and Sterling Bullet are out due to the $15,000 cost difference. I can rig it with a 12' Contractor body with fold down sides, tool boxes, and just about everything else I want for about $40,000...

    Anybody have any thoughts or dislikes with the new 6.7 Cummins? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated...
     
  2. muddstopper

    muddstopper LawnSite Silver Member
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    I have two friends that bought the 2007 cummins dodges this year and both dont like their truck. I havent driven either truck and only passing along what they claim. Both friends traded in older dodge cumming trucks for the newer model, both like the older trucks, but claim newer trucks dont have good pulling power. Both are talking about trading for a Ford. Take it with a grain of salt, as I said, I havent driven either truck

    I had a 2005 4500 duramax with allison, good truck but had issues with dealer on warranty problems. (JFI, If you buy from JackyJones Chevrolet, they wont do the warranty work on the trucks they sell). Nothing major, leaking tranny line, leaking axle seal. I got tired of fighting with the dealer and traded the truck for a 2007 F450. 6.4 diesel. So far the Ford seems to have more power than the Duramax, but it just drives funny. Seems to scoot instead of turn, maybe something I will get used to. I do like the cab on the F450 better than the 4500 Chevy.
     
  3. AtoZ

    AtoZ LawnSite Member
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    No issues with the 6.4?

    How about MPG?
     
  4. KTM

    KTM LawnSite Senior Member
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    IF you want info on the new Dodge 6.7 check out cumminsforum.com great site! Some people say they love the new engine and others hated it so much they went and found a pre emmissions 5.9 .IF I was buying one I think I would try to find a pre 07 emmissions truck no matter what brand you decide on.
     
  5. hosejockey2002

    hosejockey2002 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I was considering a 1 ton dump until I really started checking into what they weigh empty compared to their GVWR. I saw a 1 ton Chevy Duramax with a 12 foot landscape box cross a scale weighing 9500 lbs. empty. This gave it less payload then my 2500HD pickup with dump insert. If you don't care about being overloaded then buy one and load her up. If you go with a 450/550 or 4500/5500 series truck then you have decent load carrying capacity.
     
  6. tthomass

    tthomass LawnSite Gold Member
    from N. VA
    Posts: 3,497

    You have all of the small support trucks you need. How about an International or Freightliner etc with a 14-16' dump. Heavier and better built trucks that will last longer. Their built heavier and will handle your current work easier. If height is an issue get a low profile and the bodies can be easily equiped in whatever fashion you want.

    You're looking at $30,000 for a custom truck as I mentioned, done up with a little bling to promote your image and done right.
     
  7. supercuts

    supercuts LawnSite Silver Member
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    on the highway im lucky to get 15mpg, around town 10-13 and it seems to be dropping. my turbo has been making noises when slowing down, i need to bring it in. it went it for an alignment the first week i had it and it still pulls. starts and runs like a gas engine, even in the cold. turns good, kinda has a wierd pulsing feeling on pumps. it has about 1800 miles now so it still might be breaking in.

    all and all. i kinda wish i found a nice 03 with a 7.3 that was clean, mint with low miles cheap. too bad you cant find a low miles 03 for much less than i paid for my new one.
     
  8. tthomass

    tthomass LawnSite Gold Member
    from N. VA
    Posts: 3,497

    You'll be broken in around 20k. If like the DMAX's........improved mileage figures in the 10-15k range. I've got a DMAX but with only 6k.
     
  9. AtoZ

    AtoZ LawnSite Member
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    I totally agree that a International/Freightliner will outlast any truck made by the big three. In fact I purchased an 2001 International 4700 with a 16' Contractors Body with a 230 hp DT 466 about 2 months ago. After I got it back from Minnesota I took it to my local International dealer for a preventative engine scan. I was shocked to learn my 100,000 mile certified truck had 10,000 hrs on the engine which translates to well over 300,000 miles. Two weeks later, the third time I used it, I was hauling 3 tons decorative rock and my Kubota tractor to Bellevue, which is about 20 miles south of me, I scorched piston #1. A total engine overhaul was now in order. For a complete overhaul and a brand new valve job = $8,000...

    All this less than three weeks after I purchased the truck. I still hadn't received the title in the mail yet. I told my dealer they could pay for the complete overhaul or come down and pick up their truck and give me a 100% refund. After 2 weeks of bickering they picked up the truck and gave me a check... Boy was I relieved!!!


    I have now decided that my best option would be to can the medium duty truck and in 1 - 2 years buy a slightly used tandem dump and put a 16' contractors body on it. Looking for at least 350 hp to 400hp. I need high horsepower due to the small mountains around here. 230 hp was not enough in the International.

    A one ton will be able to pull whatever I need to in the meantime, and still be able to haul at least 3 tons no problem. A new Medium duty truck can cost from $55,000 to $85,000... I'd rather have something I could never outgrow, a 400 hp Tandem Peterbilt with a Contractors body. I figure with less than 10,000 miles a year on the big tandem, I should have at least 25 years of service...
     
  10. Gravel Rat

    Gravel Rat LawnSite Fanatic
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    I wouldn't buy a new Dodge 4500-5500 untill they prove themselves. Sterling really hasn't built small trucks and Dodge hasn't really built a truck bigger than a 1 ton in decades.

    A 1 ton has no legal payload so it might not even be worth spending the money on a truck that can't haul anything.
     

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