1st big sod installation

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by alpine692003, Jul 21, 2004.

  1. alpine692003

    alpine692003 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Wow, I just got back from a client's house and boy, was this customer's house nice..

    I'm about to install sod in the front and rear of the customer's house, I'm going to post pictures of the new grass that I'm giong to be putting in. The lawn right now is full of weeds, moss, there were 3 big trees that covered the entire area and no sun was being shone @ the lawn..

    its like 5,000 sq feet of sod for front and back, I'm just guessing but I'll post exact measurements and pictures..

    I'm not sure if prep work is needed or if I need to bring in topsoil?
    If so, how much topsoil do i need to install the sod at? 1", 2", 3" of topsoil is necessary? or can I just use the existing soil?


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  2. PMLAWN

    PMLAWN LawnSite Gold Member
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    What are you asking? Are you asking if you should just put sod on the weeds? Are you asking if you cover the weeds with top soil and than cover with sod? Are you asking if you should kill off the weeds first? Are you asking how long the sod will last before it is weeds and moss because there is no sun? Or are you asking if you need a tree service to come in and open up the area so sun can get to the grass and make it grow? Or are you asking if you should make mulch beds under the trees and make the yard look good?
    The homeowner has a "boy, was this customers house nice" home and he makes a call to a professional landscape company to come and make his landscape as nice as his house. He is going to spend good money for this and wants good value in return.
    I think we need to ask one more question --Is this what he is going to get??
    I may be way off base here but I think you are spreading yourself thin on the work you are doing. In the last week you have bid some tricky jobs and than come here to find out how to do them. You are building a business and part of that is building a reputation, Making a few mistakes now can hurt for years. Stick with what you know and grow slow. Baby steps. Be good at lawn maintenance, than do hedge trimming(less than 12 feet). Play with grass on your property and see what works in your area and in sun /under trees. Read READ READ! But go slow. Make profit. Build a great referral base. Do not create a bunch of people who doubt your ability.
    And by the way I speak from experience, I blew one over 2 years ago that still haunts me.
     
  3. Evergreenpros

    Evergreenpros LawnSite Bronze Member
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    There's many books available on this subject that could cover it much more indepth than here on a message board. This is mainly for ideas, suggestions, etc Remember, when you operate as a "professional" you're legally bound to know what you're doing whether you do or not.
     
  4. moneyman

    moneyman LawnSite Member
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    I have to agree with pmlawn,

    HAve knowledge then go decide what you can do.
    If you get some bad advice you could be owing this guy some new sod..
    I would go talk to a sod company and ask how to install it..
     
  5. alpine692003

    alpine692003 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Well, those tricky jobs you speak of I did complete in the specified hours.

    the 25ft high 2 circular cedars, I had to get the tops and round it off.. I did that job in 40mins ... $100 done she was very happy..

    I just came back from the sod and measured everything.

    4,000 sq feet of sod.
    - removal of existing sod with sod cutter
    - add new topsoil
    - rake even, level
    - put starter fertilizer
    - put sod down
    - lawn roll and water

    Mat Req-
    sod cutter
    topsoil
    starter fert
    lawn roller

    It looks like a 2-3day job?

    I have to call and find out how the materials would cost me!
     
  6. alpine692003

    alpine692003 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,502

    Well, those tricky jobs you speak of I did complete in the specified hours.

    the 25ft high 2 circular cedars, I had to get the tops and round it off.. I did that job in 40mins ... $100 done she was very happy..

    I just came back from the sod and measured everything.

    4,000 sq feet of sod.
    - removal of existing sod with sod cutter
    - add new topsoil
    - rake even, level
    - put starter fertilizer
    - put sod down
    - lawn roll and water

    Mat Req-
    sod cutter
    topsoil
    starter fert
    lawn roller

    It looks like a 2-3day job?

    I have to call and find out how the materials would cost me because this sod is so huge!

    I've done a sod job on a smaller scale, ie) 600 sq feet... so I have an idea of how it will turn out.
     
  7. PMLAWN

    PMLAWN LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,535

    I was not trying to be nasty.Just trying to help and by the questions you asked it seemed that you may be getting in too deep. I am glad it is working out for you. From you second post it seems like you know what you need to do. Sorry that I answered a question that you were not asking.
     
  8. mike48114

    mike48114 LawnSite Member
    Posts: 124

    weeds have to go. Grading must take place. Preping must take place. Topsoil usally not needed with sod as long as it will be irrigated. Lay the sod.

    PS. No grass (even sod) grows perfect in severy shady conditions. Might want to put a disclamer in your bid.

    Good Luck!
     
  9. alpine692003

    alpine692003 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,502

    Thanks guys, its okay PM LAWN maybe its because of my wording thats why you guys think Im not capable or going into deep.

    I will post pictures, that will describe things much better.

    Well, the reason why she is replacing the entire area is because she has about 10 cedar trees that were like 30ft high and it blocked out the sun.

    It was severe moss, weeds and everything because no sun.

    So you dont think we need to get new topsoil? I've never encountered this situation, I've brought in topsoil before..

    When do you not bring intopsoil? how can you tell?
     
  10. alpine692003

    alpine692003 LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,502

    Anyways, its 9pm...

    I just finished removing all the sod; 4,000 sq feet of sod phew..

    2:30pm - 7pm. 3 men ..

    all the sod is rolled up in a big pile, clean up is like 75% done.. the remaining 25% is due tmrw, then we hae to go to the disposal yard and cleanup and toss all this..

    She wants the most expensive grade sod which is the prosport grade. $1300 for 445 sq yards.

    $75 for sod cutter rental
    $300 for 16 - 20yards of topsoil inc. delivery and tax
    $150 - 200 for disposal fee
    ==== Materials, disposal fee = $1800

    I was thinking of charging her $1500 - $2000 for this entire job, what do you guys think? I'll post some pictures tmrw when I'm @ the site..
     

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