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1st impressions pg

Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by jbturf, Apr 9, 2010.

  1. jbturf

    jbturf LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,404

    have a few days of use on a pg triumph now,
    i will make comparisons to a pg ultra i had been
    primarily using

    SMART STEER-
    i do not like, the machine turns fairly easily
    -though i never thought any regular pg was hard to steer. but the
    side effects of this system are that
    1. the machine wants to turn all the way- left or right
    2.it is more difficult to pull out of a turning manuver
    3. machine tends to spin the inside tire when turning
    4. not relevant to smartsteer, but this machine has a longer wheel
    base than previous PGs, and thus a larger turning radius

    i may try to disconnect this system, which is basically cable operated
    band brakes on the inside of each front tire.

    WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION & HANDLING
    obviously looking at the rig , the weight has been moved back and lowered.
    the plus
    1. down hill performance is alot more stable
    2. side slope performance is more stable
    3. machine is not tippy

    cons
    1. alot of weight has been moved off of the front drive tires
    2. up hill traction is not good (i have trouble getting up my trailer ramp door)
    3. tires are more prone to spinning or turfing (likely contributes to smartsteer issue#3)

    BRAKING
    there is the band brakes on the sulky, and a band brake on the tranny
    all pluses here, system works great, stops going up or down hill, front brakes will not lock up, there are locks on the brake levers- use as parking brake, no more foot brake- i gotta get used to that.

    SPREADER / HOPPER
    pluses
    1. size, it holds 3 bags of most products- 150 lbs.
    2. double sided spinner plate/impeller (last twice as long)
    3.new stronger agitator mechanism (does full circles in hopper, like spyker)
    4.better spread pattern, achieves 13-14 feet, and is more even on left and right sides, its not heavy and short on left and thin and long on right
    5.3rd hole shut off- cuts product on rt sided- for deflector use
    6. 3rd hole shut off locking adjustment, basically a plastic stopper you use to
    set your spread pattern
    7. heavy duty stainless cable for hopper shut off plate(similar to zspray cables)
    8. hopper is easier to scoop out with a dustpan or cup
    9. improved deflector, its a cable operated fold down stainless flap(similar to t3000)
    10. impeller is secured to shaft with a band clamp, no more roll pins or cotters

    cons
    1.you cannot run the hopper empty, there is a large flat area at the bottom of the hopper, and the product will stop coming out when you have 5-6 lbs of material left in the hopper, when you get low on material the agitator actually throws the prills away from the spread holes
    2.the impeller and agitator is only spinning when the machine is moving or motor is revved up- the problem is that it takes a moment for the material
    to start flowing when you open the shut off plate, and it takes another moment for all holes to start flowing and your pattern to equalize. this is more a problem when starting from a stop and from slow turns and manuvers
    3. no adjustment for the left side pattern hole- although i had no issues with
    the left pattern, i noticed from the factory the opening for the left side hole is slightly larger than the center. most 3 hole hoppers ive owned i have had to slightly increase the size of the left side hole to get a correct spread.

    issue 1 is more annoyance than anything, but issue 2 is more serious and i will need to modify or make changes to something here

    SPRAYING SYSTEM
    not much to report here yet- gregsonclark is getting me some parts to add
    an adjustable pressure reg and a gauge, i may also reroute the return lines to the tanks, factory output is 39 oz/k high gear, pump is always going when machine is moving or revved up, not going when machine is stopped or idling.


    SOME OTHER NOTES
    - gas tank is pretty easy to fill - dosnt look it though
    - exhaust is hot on operator
    - tanks must both be filled, they are connected but equallize VERY slowly
    - controls are all easily reachable on handle bars
    -handle bar fold down - locks in the down postion ( i dont like this)
    -nozzle on squeeze n spray bottle is useless- it produces mist
     
  2. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 11,765

    Thanks JB. very detailed, good information. Let us know your impressions after a couple of months, OK?
    Do you mean the pump is pumping--even if you are only spreading dry product for the month?
     
  3. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 7,940

    Great review!

    I believe the fact that you skipped a generation Ultra-Magnum-Triumph that some of your pros/cons are not really different from a Magnum to Triumph as they are from you going from an Ultra right to a Triumph.

    Do you have pictures? I really haven't been LOOKING for Triumph pics, but haven't seen any either. The drawings on the PG website are as horrible as they've always been.

    If they'd add a limited slip differential, I'd be real happy. Spinning inside tire in a sharp upward turn is a real PITA.
     
  4. jbturf

    jbturf LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,404

    yes, the pump is always going when the machine is moving

    another big dissapointment, the rate control adjustment for the spreader.
    the little gauge sticker is completely useless, there is no pointer
    on the gauge. so you cannot calibrate the machine and use a number
    as a reference. hopefully pg will have a fix for this, the setup they provide is
    truely useless.


    i wish they would ditch the peerless gear axle, and start using a hydro
    drive axle- would be alot smoother and the accessories would be running
    all the time, fixing some issues
     
  5. grassman177

    grassman177 LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 9,795

    sounds like another good thread stating why no one should be a pg to me
     
  6. TLS

    TLS LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 7,940

    My pump is always running on my Magnum. This is nothing new.

    They're not perfect (not many machines are), but they really did their homework with the Magnum.
     
  7. jbturf

    jbturf LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,404

    your right TLS,
    none are perfect or suit every application,
    i have tried other makes and models with varying success

    i think after a few tweeks and modifications, this new pg
    will suit my needs just fine
     
  8. grassman177

    grassman177 LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 9,795

    i have never felt a need to tweak anything b4 with our machines, but then again, they are cutsom built already just for me. one thing i never knew is the pump running all the time, that cant be good, what if you are never using it to spray, and spreading only. is there any kind of off or is it all bl;et driven?
     
  9. DA Quality Lawn & YS

    DA Quality Lawn & YS LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 8,843

    A fair bit of cons in this review for a brand spankin new machine.....
     
  10. jbturf

    jbturf LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,404

    DA, yah there are alot of negatives, but id say an equal number of
    positives or improvements.
    if i had posted a thread like this about the zspray i owned, the cons
    would have been even longer. but thats not the point of this post.

    there is very little info available on this new pg, so i thought id shed
    some light on it for those interested.
    Josh
     

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