2007 On-road Diesel Engines

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by start2finish, Sep 13, 2006.

  1. start2finish

    start2finish LawnSite Senior Member
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    OK, I have some concerns about this, I have heard and also read about buying a diesel before the 07 restrictions are in effect.

    One major concern is the availability of the new ultra-low sulfur fuel. Diesel is already sparadic in location. This splits the fuel into 3 different classifications.

    High Sulfur (off road) 5000ppm sulfur

    Low sulfur (current road fuel) 500 ppm sulfur

    ULS (new fuel for 07 models) 50 ppm sulfur

    any insight on the logistics of this? Are diesels going to be even more expensive to own and operate? Obviously short term is going to be more cost, but 5 or 10 year cost of ownership, at least that is the only way to justify a diesel anyway unless you just want to show off your loud truck.

    We run the following

    1999 f-350 7.3 psd (diesel) pickup
    2000 f-250 7.3 psd (diesel) pickup
    2001 k2500 duramax (diesel) pickup
    1988 f-700 6.6 ford (diesel) 26000 gwvr dump
    1998 c-7500 3216 cat (diesel) 33000 gvwr dump

    2005 s-250 (diesel) off road
    2006 Kx161 (diesel) off road
    2005 L4630 (diesel) off road
    2002 4600 (diesel) off road

    gas equipment
    blue bird bed edger
    agri-fab straw blower
    saws, auger, tillers

    my gas usage is minimal we are married to diesel fuel. I am getting concerned.
  2. lawnspecialties

    lawnspecialties LawnSite Silver Member
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    For starters, I believe the low sulfur diesel will eventually go away. You can run USD in older diesels but not the low in post-2006's. A lubricant will be added to compensate for the lesser lubricating properties of the ULS. You'll also have about a 1% power loss. As for cost, I'm afraid to think about it.

    I bet you this though;, we'll see so many small diesels in cars and 1/2 ton trucks soon, it'll amaze you. With the science in cleaner burning diesels and diesel's better efficiency, it's only a matter of time. Approximately half of all vehicle sales in Europe right now are diesels. :)
  3. all ferris

    all ferris LawnSite Bronze Member
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    1% lower power = less MPG
    and that makes me 100% MAD:angry:
  4. Mike33

    Mike33 LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I had a thread on this issue back in july you can search it and get some valueable information. I dont feel like typing a lot tonight but this is the reason i bought a 06 instead of a 07.
  5. Earth and Turf

    Earth and Turf LawnSite Member
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    I read an article in a government magazine. In october all fuel stations will be required to begin switching to the new fuel so by the end of November that will be the only diesel available. That way when the new trucks come out in late Dec. early Jan. everyone will have the new stuff. They won't have 3 grades of diesel it will still be 2 on and off road.
  6. Travis Followell

    Travis Followell LawnSite Silver Member
    from KY
    Posts: 2,207

    Will the off road fuel stay the same or will it have less sulfur also?
  7. elmo1537

    elmo1537 LawnSite Member
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    one solution to this whole problem. run vegetable oil they blow away emissions as it is. and you wont be funding a unnamed country in building the next nuclear bomb when you are filling up at the gas station. It has been said that it only cost between .50cent and 1 dollar to make it yourself.
  8. Earth and Turf

    Earth and Turf LawnSite Member
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    From what I understand the off road will also be low sulfer. I think this is so they can make it the same. Now when the Semi tanker picks up diesel at the loading rack they mix the dye with the fuel for off road. So same fuel it is just how it is sold.
  9. qualitylawnmanagement

    qualitylawnmanagement LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Can you run veggie oil in the 2007 engines made after 1/1/07? If so it only cost 70cents a gallon here.
  10. lawnmaniac883

    lawnmaniac883 LawnSite Silver Member
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    Still would need to convert to a heated tank and would still need to start up/shut down running diesel fuel.

    ULSD is actually <15ppm and has been making its way through the pipelines and to the pumps for quite a few months now. I bet that 90% of stations that sell diesel have diesel with sulfur that is around 30ppm by now. It takes time to get all the old stuff out and new stuff in ya know? Lubriticity can be restored by running a diesel fuel additive, I use and have had good results with PowerService in the silver bottle. Use about 1/3 bottle per fillup and a bottle costs 6 bucks at autozone.

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