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23hp Kohler vs. 25hp Kohler

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Likestomow, Feb 19, 2000.

  1. Likestomow

    Likestomow LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 997

    Talked to my Toro dealer yesterday about buying a new Z-Master. <br>The 23 Kohler model is about $1000 less than the 25 Kohler model.<p>Torque is supposed to be close between the two motors, <br>I think within 4 ft. pounds under load.<p>The water-cooled 22 Kaw is $1000 higher than the 23, but it's supposed<br>to be rated for 5,000 hours - I don't think it's worth the extra dough.<p>Does anyone have any field experience using the 23 Kohler? Is it a good engine?<br>
     
  2. Lazer

    Lazer LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,446

    I can't believe I'm even posting this, but...<p>The 23hp Toro Z-253 62&quot; are so cheap, I think that the direction we're going to go this year.<p>
     
  3. I think you would be better served with the<br>Toro 253 (exmark with a toro deck) for a<br>number of reasons.<p>1. Better mowing of wet turf.<br>2. 62&quot; vs. 60&quot; width<br>3. The KISS principal when it comes to the<br>deck height adjustment mech.<br>4. For the price of a $15 bracket a large<br>grass gobbler fits the discharge opening of<br>the 62&quot; Toro deck perfectly.<p>I mounted a 62&quot; Toro deck to my best traction<br>unit (1995 Kohler 18 hp V-twin) last Sunday.<p>The 62&quot; toro deck is a whole different animal when compared to the 44/52&quot; toro stamped decks. The 62 weighs in at over 100<br>lbs more than a 44/52&quot;.<p>The drive pulley on the center spindle looks<br>to be twice the size of a 52&quot; pulley. Underneath that massive drive pully is a little pulley that drives the rest of the spindles at awesome (for a Toro) speed.<p>Even with the engine up to operating temp.<br>the C.A.R.B. certified CV-18 could not start<br>the 62&quot; in deck in the run position of the<br>choke. I had to choke the engine half way<br>then engage the PTO. Once I go the deck up<br>to speed I was able to lean the engine out<br>into the run position.<p>If you look at Toros website the 62&quot; deck is<br>no longer available for a walk behind. The above &quot;problem&quot; might have lead to this but<br>I just think they want to sell more profitable ZTR's.<p><p><br>
     
  4. Lazer

    Lazer LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,446

    The pulley has to be bigger to reduce blade RPM and keep tip speed consistant w/ 52/44.<p>The 62&quot; deck for WB is probably unavailable also to poor sales - Toro walkers w/ 62 decks are front heavy and poorly balanced compared to other brands.<p>
     
  5. Evan528

    Evan528 LawnSite Silver Member
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    lazer, my z master has a blade tip speed of 18,400, about the same as the exmark. maybe its the older ones with the slow blade speed.
     
  6. Keith

    Keith LawnSite Gold Member
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    How much have guys seen the Toro 23hp selling for?
     
  7. Evan528

    Evan528 LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,144

    i have seen the toro z master with a 62inch deck and a 23hp kohlor selling for about 7000. i have the 25hp on mine and would definitly recomend going will the biggest engine available for a ztr. a 23 just wont cut it for a 62inch cut.
     
  8. Lazer

    Lazer LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,446

    The new Toro's have increased blade tip speed.<p>A Toro Z-253 62&quot; 23hp can be purchased for less than $6,000.00.
     
  9. Keith

    Keith LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,977

    That's a deal. If I needed another mower, I would probably consider it. Can they sell the 52&quot; mowers for that?<p>
     
  10. Lazer

    Lazer LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,446

    I'm sure they'd be even less. A 52&quot; 17hp is on a smaller, less costly frame.
     

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