Am I in the ballpark?

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by Billpa, May 17, 2005.

  1. Billpa

    Billpa LawnSite Member
    from pa
    Posts: 103

    As some of you know I’d like to move into the hard scape business, I just found a guy that’s looking to get back into it so we’re going to do a few jobs together and see how it goes. I’ve been doing all the research I can, also i worked as a mason for a while about ten years ago so I think I have a good understanding of what needs to be done.

    My concern is what to charge, If I knew how long it would take to do the job this would be easier.

    I’m bidding on a brick paver walk and a small garden wall around a gazebo.

    1st the walk. This walk will be in two sections and both will be a mix of curves and straight, the first section will have three levels to it to accommodate a gradual slope and will be 4x38 and the second section will be a level run 4x34 for a total of 288 sq ft materials will be about $1730 and he’s suggesting I charge $3312.00 for labor, total being $5042.00 or also suggested going to $5203.00 ,,, seems high to me?

    2nd the garden wall, this wall would be about 15' diameter or 48' ? circumference (ballpark) the wall will vary in height from 24" to 12" with most of the wall being 24 to 18" inches high and only a small section at 12" high. I came up with 80 face ft and he came up with less 65, so lets just say 75 face ft. material approximately $900 labor $1690 for a total of $2590

    access to the work areas are good and the customer has offered to let us use his kubota which has a loader and small hoe on the back. Also looking at $150 or so in rental fees and there will be three of us on the job.

    I know all the variables that usually go into pricing a job but bottom line is if you don’t know how long it will take then the rest of the numbers are useless, also I’ve been told the $40 per man hour for this kind of work is low, any thoughts from the northeast or Pa guys?

    Thanks
     
  2. TJLANDS

    TJLANDS LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Sounds like you are using some expensive pavers. 288 sq- $1700.
    The paver job sounds simple enough I would probably charge $12 a sq ft.
    $3456, but the materials would cost me only $720 or so. Some people say charge by the job not sq ft. I still charge by the sq ft.
    You sound about right on the garden wall. Good Luck
     
  3. Billpa

    Billpa LawnSite Member
    from pa
    Posts: 103



    Thanks for the reply

    We’d be using Ep Henry Coventry 1 pavers and we’re planning to add 5% to be safe so I’m pricing paver material at 302 sq ft, seems like all of are pavers are kinda high in this area.

    For the walk he’s saying 3 days with 3 guys since we’d be using the kubota. If he’s on for labor time I could stand to lower the bid a little to be sure to get the job and still make out well and use this as learning experience, also they have a lot of work to be done over the next year or two as budget allows.

    Any thoughts on labor time?

    Thanks
     
  4. TJLANDS

    TJLANDS LawnSite Bronze Member
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    3 days 3 workers should be more than enough time. The kubota will help.
     
  5. Billpa

    Billpa LawnSite Member
    from pa
    Posts: 103

    Ok, Thanks
     

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