OK guys, I need some honesty here. It seems I take a beating every time I submit a competition bid on a property. I know a lot of times a scrub comes along and chops me down right at the ground. But that's not all of it. I know I could lower my rates some. But frankly I don't want to. Last year I did pretty lousy as well and those were jobs I was invited to bid on. Now this year, as many of you know from another thread, I am actually out SEEKING work for the first time. I'm trying to build some tight routes. So I'm having to go after commercial bids along routes. So far I'm not doing real well. I'll give you all a detailed example and you let me know if you think my rates are too high for western NC. This is way smaller than what I usually take and honestly loosing this small of account has shaken me more than the big stuff. Turf = 10,000 Sq Ft (in broken sections) Trim/Edge = 1,000 Ft (400 bed/600 concrete) Beds = 3,000 Sq Ft Shrubbery = 107 small bushes and trees (should I post my bid?) I just want an honest answer. I will be delivering a bid next week on a property with very similar #'s but with a bit less desirable layout. I need help here because I need the some of the locations coming up to attain the tighter routes I need.