Avoiding Pool plumbing when digging up junk pavers

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by 4 seasons lawn&land, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    Dude, we're talking a quick repair job, in the event a pipe would get broken. Cut out the broken. Install new pipe . 6 minute task.
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  2. DVS Hardscaper

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    With 3 guys we install no less than 500 sf in one 8 hr day. Once in a while they may hit 550 to 600 sf.

    This is for patios an big areas. Walks take much longer.

    So if you're doing 2000 sf, right there is 4 days of dropping pavers in place.

    Plus 1/2 a day for brushing in sand. In addition to the aforementioned 4 days.

    Plus about a day for cutting pavers (border, turns, obsticals, etc)

    So right there you have a min of 5 days tied up just in handling of the pavers.

    Without seeing the layout I'm gonna say you have 2 days just in installing and compacting the aggregate base. Not including excavation.

    You're taking up 2000 sf of existing pavers on the ground? Whoo-we that's alotta work. Taking up the pavers, CLEANING THE SAND OFF OF THEM. Pallatizing, and wrapping with shrunk wrap so they don't spill all over the yard is an easy additional 8 hrs.

    So far we're at 8 days and we haven't even factored in excavating, turf restoration, and daily clean up.

    Your experience level? Please tell us about that. Pictures of past jobs would be nice to see :)

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  3. Duekster

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    I am no expert but it does sound like the labor time is grossly under estimated.
     
  4. DVS Hardscaper

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    The best way to calculate is job is to break each task down. Itemized format.

    1. Loading the truck at yard
    2. Unloading at site
    3. Drive time to and for per employee per hr.
    4. Gate/fence removal to access back yard
    5. Excavation (some jobs require an easy 2 hrs of simply measuring and laying out)
    6. Aggregate installation and compaction
    7. Bedding sand installation
    8. Paver installation
    9. Cutting pavers
    10. Sanding paver joints
    11. Burial of down spouts and sump pump lines
    12. Daily clean up. This is something many contractors neglect. If it rained the night before, you could have 1 guy easily spend 60 to 90 minutes shoveling and brooding mud.
    13. Re-grading and seeding
    14. Loading trash. A 2000 sf patio will accumulate alotta McDonalds bags.
    15. Loading all tools onto the truck. (we remove tools and machinery each day as they are no longer needed at the site)

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  5. DVS Hardscaper

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    We're doing a 66 sf patio as I type.

    $2200.00

    Yes sixty six square feet.

    Two thousand two hundred dollars


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  6. Duekster

    Duekster LawnSite Fanatic
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    Every job needs to be broken down and bid this way. There are no magic formulas except the one that will eventually lead to bankruptcy.

    You are right, if the job takes multiple days, you have to allow for clean up and organizing the site at the end of the day too.
     
  7. DVS Hardscaper

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    We have lead walks that are easily $25 to $30 per sf.

    It costs the same to deliver 2 pallets of pavers as it does 10 pallets.

    Usually the bigger the job - the less per sf cost.
    The smaller the job - the more per sf costs,

    A rancher house may average $135 / sf to build.
    But a 2 story home may average $108 / sf to build. Because either home will have a basement and roof. All you're doing is adding a floor in the middle. Same roof same basement.

    Same scenario goes for paver installation. Your mobilization costs and delivery costs are the same, regardless of size. It still costs the same to bury 1 down spout on a 400 sf patio as it does to bury 1 down spout on a 2000 sf patio.
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  8. 4 seasons lawn&land

    4 seasons lawn&land LawnSite Gold Member
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    All the replies are appreciated! It must be the labor that Im going astray on.I have a history of doing that... I dont know if I want this job. I just dont like pavers and I think 2 weeks of pavers at one residence might cause me to drown myself in the pool. If I could sell her on flagstone Id be a happy camper. The access is easy. There is no fence around the pool. The excavation will be hindered by the porch being overhead of half of it, plus going easy around the pool. there are 6 or 7 porch pillars to work around. 2 sets of stairs. and the pool deck. I dont have to go up to pool edge. One big plus is they did not sand the joints at all so the pavers are clean.
     
  9. DVS Hardscaper

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    2,000 SF is a long time at the job.

    did you include the cost of renting this for a month?

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  10. Birchwood

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    Does any one rent these for there jobs? I looked into it a few weeks ago $165 a week, not bad. Better than running to the gas station.

    I also thought of putting one in an enclosed trailer for the job site.


    $20 plus per sf on small entry walks is the only way to go, other wise you will loose money.
     

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