I started a landscape contracting business almost two years ago, and have installed several residential irrigation systems. I do not focus primarily on that area of the business, because it seems so competitive since most consumers think we are all bidding apples to apples, so the lowest price usually wins, even though there are differences in designs. I would however like to do more irrigation installs and I have a couple questions for you veterans of the trenches. I realize that most jobs can probably be bid profitably by the zone method, but everything I have read from consultants who have been in the field, and who have sharp business skills to boot, say that is not the best way to be sure you are truly making the net profit that you desire. For all my contracting, I have been using the method recommended by J. R. Huston in his book "How to Price Landscape and Irrigation Projects". So far as I can tell, I haven't run into any other irrigators who use such a detailed and bottom line system. Most of the guys I have run into talk about price per zone only. In the greater southeast Texas area, it seems like the established companies are charging in the $350 - $450 range, with a few quite a bit lower than that. If any of you in my general area would be so kind as to share with me what kind of pricing you are running into and are using yourself, I would appreciate it. I know we all have to be reasonably competitive, but surely most of want to make enough net to have a good standard of living. If I use efficient methods of installation and can't make some pretty darn good money after considering ALL my costs and overhead, I will look for something more lucrative. One more question. After reading the pros and cons re trenching vs. plowing, I am intrigued by the plowing, but wonder how it could work in the hard baked clay soils so prevalent in our area. In the new homesites built up with bank sand, I can see it, but what about the bone hard sites? Any local experience would be enlightening. Thanks for reading this too long posting.