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Big Fertilizer co. with Big nitrogen

Discussion in 'Fertilizer Application' started by Shady Brook, Sep 26, 2002.

  1. MPhillips

    MPhillips LawnSite Member
    from zone 7
    Posts: 94

    this is an interesting story...both of these applicators have said things that are so wrong...haha Is there tremendous/bitter competition out there? Could they intentionally be trying to deceive? This reads like, "how to burn a lawn and cause disease".
  2. tremor

    tremor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,476

    That's what I've been wondering. Maybe they feel they can undermine their competition with disinformation? Pretty low if that's the case.
    Either way, this speaks to less than professional practices that our industry would do well to avoid.

    Maybe it's time to start a thread called "The LCO's code of Ethics".

    I'd take the oath. In a way, many of us already have in our words & deeds.

  3. Shady Brook

    Shady Brook LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Indiana
    Posts: 1,517

    Ok, more info for ya. I spoke to a guy from the second company, the one the other LCO spoke of pouring on the N.

    Ok, so I ask this guy what he is applying, and he said 30% N, and some other percentages I can not recall, probably standard stuff. Anyway, so I say how much N per thousand, and he says " right now 4lb's! So I imply that that is an incredible amount, and he then clarified that he did not mean N, he ment total product, which he then thought for a few seconds to try to figure how much N that would be in actuality fumbling out something around a pound.

    I believe this must have been what the other guy had in mind when I asked how much N, he must have been thinking total product per thousand.

    To me it seems clear that they are just in the habit of spreading the same stuff over time, that they do not even think about what there doing anymore.

    The guy I spoke to today did say that he was putting down SCU, so there would not be any chance of burn, where they other guy said he was doing fast release.

    In any event, that probably ends the mystery, even though the first guys' numbers still seemed pretty wacky.

    I think there is a place for guys who know what they are doing in this business.

    Take care
  4. GroundKprs

    GroundKprs LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,969

    As heard from a Chemlawn rep, about 13 years ago: "The ideal product would be something you could apply at 10% the specified rate, or at 10x the specified rate, and it would still do the job it is supposed to do. Then we could hire just anybody as hose jockeys."

    Perhaps that's where the hiring is now?
  5. tremor

    tremor LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,476

    So 30% of 4 (%N times rate of product in lbs/M) equals 1.2lbsN/M.

    This is the most basic stuff we need to know.

    20 years ago when I worked for a "big guy", we would train those who weren't formerly educated.

    This is a very sad situation. The guy should have known before he started spreading. But even if he forgot, this is basic head math.

    Oh yeah, there's nothing wrong with 1.2lbs/N right now in this area anyway. Our drought is long gone & cool weather is upon us. Thanks to Isadoor!

  6. Turfdude

    Turfdude LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,900

    Actually, around here, a lot of guys will go high N in early fall (as Tremor pointed out to help turf recover from summer stress). Then in November, when lawns are dormant, most guys use 30+ N up to 46-0-0 SCU N as the N will actually go to root and stem as plant is not in growth state. This has been preached by our Coop. extension service over using a starting fertilizer as it has been noticed that P levels have actually been a little high in our area.

    The high N late season, helps sustain the green color through the winter, and as spring arises, you can cut back on the N (and possibly avoid some fungal problems) as well as be able to keep up w/ an already very fast growing time of year.


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