bobcat T300 or a case 450ct??

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by turboawd, Mar 31, 2006.

  1. turboawd

    turboawd LawnSite Member
    from midwest
    Posts: 235

    i've been leaning towards getting a track machine. buddy just got a new t300 and it is pretty nice....real nice cab.
    the bobcat costs about 56k fully loaded
    the case is almost 50k fully loaded.
    while i see that the bobcat cab is more spacious and luxurious, how do these machines compare drivetrain wise? a guy i know had drive motor problems with his older t300. he eventually got rid of it for a takuechi. has bobcat updated anything?
    case claims they have a strong drive motor. is this true?
    what about performance between the two?
    any input is apreciated.
     
  2. Madstriper

    Madstriper LawnSite Member
    Posts: 130

    My dad has an equipment rental business, and he switched from a Bobcat skidsteer to the track loader, T180 I think, and he loves it. Very reliable, and thats with just about anybody using it. It is a rental, and half the folks that rent it have never been on a track loader. It seems each year Bobcat works hard to route the hydraulic lines so they are easier and easier to replace.
    But just like everyone on here says about mowers, I think dealer support should be very high on your list of priorities for your decision.
    My dad has been using Bobcat products for about 11 or 12 years now and has made alot of money with them. He hasnt tried other brands, mainly because he has an awesome dealer, Duhon Equipment, its way down in LaPlace, LA, but its worth the travel time. Sid Duhon is the owner, and he helped my dad get financed when no one else would. One time when there was NO WAY he could have qualified for a loan. The man is wonderful, he got hit hard by Katrina, but never shut down.
     
  3. JDSKIDSTEER

    JDSKIDSTEER LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,163

    T300 still has drive motor issues. I traded one in that had 2200 hrs on 1-1/2 years old and has had 3 drive motors replaced. He purchased 2 jd CT332's and loves them....much more power. He still has one T300 he purchased in may 2005 and had a drive motor go out in January and the other side went out in March. I demod him a jd CT322 and he used his 80" Multi purpose bucket with it and was very impressed with the power of the smaller unit. Personally before Deere came out with there machine Takuechi mama is what I suggested to my customers. They are my second choice. Deere out powers them and smoother ride, but if you are a big man it has roomier cab. Also I sold a friend a 50D excavator but he is big man with bad knees. I suggested a Hutchi mama for him. ASV has no dealer support in our area so I do not suggest them at all in our area. Cat has great customer support. I just an not a fan of their undercarraige. Takes to long to adjust tracks and bottom rollers do not hold up well in our rocky chert and clay soil conditions. If you have a good Deere dealer in your area you should give them a shot. Of course I am bias, but I have done well selling them against the competition. Price on Deere is very competitive. As far as case goes no dealer support in our area. Same as ASV.
     
  4. Scag48

    Scag48 LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 6,068

    Sorry, but JD only wishes they produced a 97 HP machine. The TL150 will blow a 332 out of the water in regards to HP and torque. 291 foot/lbs. torque at 1400 RPM's is crazy.
     
  5. RockSet N' Grade

    RockSet N' Grade LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,454

    I had Bobcat drop 3 different machines off at my place so I could demo them. I am not a big guy, 5'9", so I fit easily in most cabs. After 20 minutes in each of the Bobcat machines, I called the rep and said pick them up....don't want any of them.
    My experience was very poor visability out of the sides, and rear plus I could not see my bucket edges either left or right. In fact, out of all the machines I have demoed, Bobcat had the worst visability of any of them.
     
  6. Caribbean Breeze

    Caribbean Breeze LawnSite Member
    Posts: 60

    Down the street from where I am, a friend has 2 T300's. One is a 2004 with 4,100 hours and a 2005 with 19++hrs. Her indicated to me recently that he has only changed tracks and done routine servicing. No other problems as he is about to buy another unit this month.

    To say that the drive motors we and are defective, I don't think is fair and is probably isolated to a bad batch from a manufacturer.

    The Cat dealer in Florida when I was looking at a 303CR, they were moving it and the hydrualic pump made a loud noise.... and that was it....but I think it is isolated to that one unit. It is not fair to say that the 303CR has pump issues.

    I would choose Bobcat between the two because of the support in my area.

    Thanks,

    Caribbean Breeze
     
  7. Squizzy246B

    Squizzy246B LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 837

    Well I'd believe the operator of 2 ASV's in a local quarry before I'd believe you. They have 5500 hrs between the two of them and they never get off the stone, gravel and clay. Tracks they wear out but nothing else to date.
     
  8. AWJ Services

    AWJ Services LawnSite Platinum Member
    from Ga
    Posts: 4,276

    With the extra weight of a big machine and an operator that is exceeding the machines abilities pretty much any machine can have pump motor failures.
    I see guys digging up stumps as big as pickup trucks with .
    I saw one guy who kept backing up over and over and ramming into the stump .

    I would really be surprised if between the manufacturers the pump motors were that different.



    I also will be purchasing a Track machine soon.

    I have found that people tend too group skid steers together by Hp and in classes.

    I found that it is much easier just too group them together by Price.

    Take a TL140 and a T300 and they are very similar in capacities and ability too do there jobs yet there are 10 K difference between them.
    Take a TL150 at the same price as a T300 and it blows it away.

    The case machines look good on paper.
    The big machine has a 7714 lb tipping capacity and good specs all over.
    I would be hard pressed too justify the T300 being 7000 dollars better.

    It seems too me that Bobcats as of late have been left in the dust (literally) by the competition price wise and performance wise.

    The other manufacturers are really stepping up too the plate.
    They are giving you more for less.
     
  9. JDSKIDSTEER

    JDSKIDSTEER LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,163

    97 HP is impressive on paper......I have had them side by side in the dirt. I do not sell my machine on paper. If you want to see paper compare tipping load,breakout forces, operating weight, hydraulic GPM, we offer hi-flow hydraulics. Paper is nice to pre sell. But I say you do not know unless you put them in the dirt. Power nice, but it is nice if you get power where you need it.
     
  10. UNISCAPER

    UNISCAPER LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,426

    I would get a 287 Caterpillar any day over any of the machines listed. They don't need 97HP because the variable pump works efficiently and does not waste hydraulic power like standard roots driven pumps and on side slope operations no rigid frame machine (otherwise called a premature track eater) will work as well.
     

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