Bobcat this bobcat that....

Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by coopers, Oct 28, 2004.

  1. coopers

    coopers LawnSite Bronze Member
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    What is it that people are so attracted to skidsteers for? Seems like 98% of the threads on here are regarding skidsteers....which one to buy, which one is good for what, this and that....I'm not trying to disrespect people, just curious what everyone finds so nice about them. I HATE skidsteers :p I think they are too rocky, uncomfortable, hard to see what you're doing and they tear the place up. Just seems there are so many other good machines out there to do the job. Is it the fact that there are so many different implements out there and their ability to go in tight places? I'm just curious that's all. I don't see a lot of people talking about other machines, backhoes (large and small), excavators (same as backhoes, large and small), dozers etc. etc.

    We carry bobcat and gehl, and we're starting to buy gehl now because apparently they're cheaper. But gehls for one SUCK more than bobcat, you cannot see what-so-ever...you can't get in or out without snagging the damn controls (at least for my 6' 2'' frame) and the auger attachment is a joke. Takes a ridiculous amount of time to change a heavy ass 24'' bit with an extension on. Bobcat is a little better than gehl but skidsteers in general are NOT my favorite....Sorry if anyone took this the wrong way....later guys. :cool2:

    Blake
    WA
     
  2. TerraFirma Excavating

    TerraFirma Excavating LawnSite Member
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    [​IMG] Here a Bobcat, there a Bobcat, everwhere a Bobcat [​IMG] :)

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    My father used to have an small excavating company and I grew up using equipment. We had a 690B John Deere excavator, Cat D4H dozer, and a Case 580D backhoe loader. We would lease other equipment (ie.: loaders, rollers, etc...) as needed. Got to the point where we had multiple large jobs and needed more and more employees, especially for labor work. I had always thought skidsteers were toys until we bought a Bobcat 763. That little machine saved so much labor and actually did so much work, it soon became the most wanted piece of machinery on any of our jobs. The large equipment is necessary, but usually for the initial part of the job which is completed relatively quickly. The skidsteer is used in tight areas or inaccessable areas (ie.: bottom of an excavation for a 10,000 fuel tank or utilidoor trench) and in almost all aspects of finish work.

    When I started my own little excavating/landscaping business, I thought hard about my first piece of equipment. I wanted a backhoe/loader, but price, size (larger truck and trailer), and versatility lead me to a skidsteer. I have a machine which makes nearly the same amount per hour as a backhoe/loader, but cost less than one half of a new backhoe loader. The number of attachments is awesome, so my services available for hire is greater than with just a backhoe loader. Right now, I am as busy as I want to be with just the skidsteer. In fact I am moving away from the excavating end (was going to buy a compact excavator) and will now specialize in landclearing and landscaping. I will probably buy a T300 next summer.

    I also believe that MOST people that own the larger machines don't actually run them anymore, but have employees which do. I know when I was running some of my father's jobs, I was only on the equipment when we were short handed. Most of my time was spent supervising, coordinating materials, layout, etc... I also think most skidsteer owners are from smaller, owner/operator business and operate them everyday. A little more intimate relationship. The realize how great of a machine they have and like to tell everyone else.
     
  3. Dwan

    Dwan LawnSite Member
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    I started our business with snowplowing so the bobcat was a natural choice. needed a backhoe so I got a 14' backhoe atachment for the bobcat, then forks, smaller tooth bucket, trencher, plow, and broom. I havn't found a more versitable piece of equipment out there. I also use the bobcat for a hydrolic power supply for my trenchless pipe pusher. I now own 3 skidsteers. A few years ago I bought a TB070 18000lb excavator and find it will do a few things the bobcat wont. There is a place for each type of equipment and the skidsteer showes its place in versitillity.
    as for the jerkey actions, the bigger they are the less the effect. mine are 12000 lb each.
     
  4. Grn Mtn

    Grn Mtn LawnSite Senior Member
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    skid-steers definitely are useful, but I find the new compact utility loaders like the Toro Dingo have a place. They are great for replacing employee's that don't like working so hard, don't rip up the yard as much, have 30+ attachments, cost a hell of a lot less, and fit thru fences. The picture I attached(hopefully) was taken on a rainy day, all of my "help" didn't want to work, so me and the dingo moved 12 yards of soil and built the burm with minimal damage to the lawn. The reason the treads are mud soaked is there used to be a major puddle in the fence opening, that is till I was leaving than I back filled it in.

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  5. Tigerotor77W

    Tigerotor77W LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Germany
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    Hehe, I'm going to start suggesting that people search the forums first. Save some of the clutter. (I'll admit -- I make up quite a few posts on skids...)

    Skid steers: I honestly can't tell you why I'm infactuated with them. I know Cat's product line about the same as I do skid steers, but I guess I focus on the SSL market more. I think they're amazing machines capable of tremendous production given their size. A Cat D3G, for example, even with a 70 hp engine, can't do half the things a Cat 236B can. No, they're not the same product, but if you ask me which is more technologically inspiring? For me, without a doubt it would be the SSL.

    Ah well. Just goes to show the popularity of skid steers. Very few people ever ask about full-size construction equipment, but I'm sure this board would generate the same response if there threads on other CE.
     
  6. coopers

    coopers LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Well interesting. It really depends on the type of work I guess. Whether you want to mix in small compact jobs with larger jobs. Anyway, I was just curious just because of the large volume of skidsteer threads. I'm sure eventually when I start my own side business in excavation, I'll have to use one of those damn small things. ;) LOL

    Blake
    WA
     
  7. TerraFirma Excavating

    TerraFirma Excavating LawnSite Member
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    That's not your Deere excavator in your avatar? Sorry, I thought maybe you had lots of large equipment, but none in the compact size.

    Not all people you have larger equipment are not owner/operators, but it seems like the majority hardly run them any more. I know of some guys who own large equipment and need to do work for their friends. They say something like, "I'll have my crew bring over my Hitachi 450 and the Cat D8 and we'll have your land cleared in no time." I saw a 400 class machine being hauled down the road and it is just huge!!!
     
  8. Tigerotor77W

    Tigerotor77W LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Germany
    Posts: 1,891

    You should run a Gehl 7810 for size... :D
     
  9. coopers

    coopers LawnSite Bronze Member
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    No that's not my 120. Wish it was, I love those machines. I work for a rental company, that's theirs. Anyway, well I'm going to be a deputy with my local sheriff's department so I won't have a ton of time on my hands, espcially when I get into specialty units and move up in rank. That being said, I won't need anyone else to do my work. Not sure what exactly I'm going to do or better, how I'm going to go about it but I probably will own one machine. Don't need tons of them and all sizes, it's just going to be a side job. But, right now my focus is on law enforcement, I'll worry about owning a business when I'm old enough to worry about it. I'm only 19 :-D

    Blake
    WA
     
  10. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    Cooper

    I would love to have an articulating loader instead of a Bobcat. They are a lot more expensive and generally larger to haul around than a Bobcat. However as a landscaper I need a Bobcat because it is shorter and easier to haul. By quickly unsnapping two hydraulic lines and two handle I can change Bobcat tools and have a totally different Bobcat. Because Bobcats have been around so long there are many Bobcat tool that have been designed to do different Bobcat jobs. Yes Bobcats are a very versal machine and no landscaper should be with out a bobcat.

    BTW my Bobcat is a New Holland
     

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