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Discussion in 'Heavy Equipment & Pavement' started by cat2, Nov 11, 2007.

  1. cat2

    cat2 LawnSite Senior Member
    from Mi
    Posts: 891

    How can this be true????????



    Over an eight-hour day, the Deere 317 can move 168 more tons of material than the best-known skid steer. That’s
    about a dozen more truckloads. Even if you don’t run a skid steer all day long, it’s easy to see you get a pile of added
    productivity for your money. Run the numbers and you’ll run with Deere



    And no I did not type this I got it off a worksite journal
     
  2. Digdeep

    Digdeep LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I'm assuming that it was run against other skids with 1,750lb ROCs. I'd also say it's another typical good job by Deere's marketing department. So they're basically saying that the 317 will move approximately 211 more bucket loads than the next best skid steer in 8 hours. Well, like I said good marketing. Since the machine isn't two speed and I'd have to assume the material was moved the same distance I guess it would have to be faster loader cycle times, but I have a hard time seeing that big of a difference.
     
  3. bobcat_ron

    bobcat_ron LawnSite Fanatic
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    I read that BS too, I get that same worksite journal, it helps when I'm sitting on the crapper and I need something to really sh*t myself silly!

    I moved 12 times that in 2 days with my dumping hopper, look at it in the thread "the last big job I did".

    Any skidsteer can do that, it's all in the bucket size.
     
  4. cat2

    cat2 LawnSite Senior Member
    from Mi
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    :laugh: Can deere get in trouble for this? isn't it false advertisement or something.:confused: They shouldn't be able to say that if it isn't true
     
  5. Tigerotor77W

    Tigerotor77W LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Germany
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    They can back it up somehow. They don't have to (and obviously didn't) publish the specs of the machines they tested, so that could be the culprit right there.

    Then again... Deere does have a competent product.
     
  6. SiteSolutions

    SiteSolutions LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Maybe they were just going on stock / standard bucket size? Seems like all the Deere machines I have seen run a larger bucket on them, but then again, I don't run around town with a tape measure checking out machines...
     
  7. bobcat_ron

    bobcat_ron LawnSite Fanatic
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    Their buckets just look larger, they are almost 8 inches longer from front of the cutting edge to the rear. That's what gives them better bucket break out forces, more leverage with a longer bucket and a different roll back angle.
     
  8. SiteSolutions

    SiteSolutions LawnSite Bronze Member
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    No, I meant they look wider.

    And a longer bucket would have less breakout force. It's not just like having a longer lever, you have to consider where the fulcrum is in that equation...

    As an example: is it easier to hold a car battery up close to your chest, or all the way away from yourself with arms extended straight out? That's the analogy you are looking at with buckets and breakout force.
     
  9. ksss

    ksss LawnSite Fanatic
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    I think the ad actually says "best known skid steer" which I would assume would be Bobcat. If the 317 has a ROC of 1750 than I would assume if Deere was fair that they would have run it up against a S175. The 175 is underpowered but even as pathetic as that machine is I doubt you would move that much more material with a 317. The fact that there is no fine print outlining how the numbers were obtained, they could have run it up against a 553 or whatever the number is on Bobcats real small machines.

    We have beat this horse already but the long lip buckets reduce breakout not multiply it. Deere's breakout numbers I think are theoretical not real world.

    Why doesn't someone contact Deere marketing and see if we can get the specifics of how the tests were conducted and what competetive machine was used. I would atleast like to here what they say exactly when they tell the caller to pack sand. If they play along lets also ask how their breakout tests are performed. Can't hurt to ask.
     
  10. cat2

    cat2 LawnSite Senior Member
    from Mi
    Posts: 891

    Its in the worksite journal of winter 2007 at the very bottom. The best known skid steer would be bobcat it has to be. What the heck did the guy in the bobcat do go half throttle or something?
     

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