bullrider users, some info needed please

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by MacLawnCo, Sep 12, 2003.

  1. MacLawnCo

    MacLawnCo LawnSite Bronze Member
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    guys,

    you with the bullrider sulkies, i need some info... in your experiences, have you found the bullrider to contribute to excess rutting? I have a few props where my junglewheels are leaving their wheel marks, while the mower isnt. I cant see how going to a sulky with smaller wheels is going to help this situation. What do you guys think? worth the money? can you zero turn with one at the end of a row if you only circle the peremiter only once? Thanks guys.
     
  2. Doc Pete

    Doc Pete LawnSite Gold Member
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    Mac,
    Do the math. The tires are the same, in fact the Bullrider wheels are the same width, but a tad smaller in diameter...... SO, if the Junglewheels rut, so will the Bullrider.
    However, the Bullrider will zero, plus you have the choice of running fixed or castored any time you want. Also, they don't shimmy back and forth like the Junglewheels.
    How much to do you weigh?????????????
     
  3. Rick Jones

    Rick Jones LawnSite Senior Member
    from NY
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    can you zero turn with one at the end of a row if you only circle the peremiter only once
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    I guess that depends on the machine it's hooked to. I've got mine on a Toro 36" and with it installed the overall length is close to 8 feet. In order to zero turn at the end of rows, I've got to make at least 2-3 passes.
     
  4. Doc Pete

    Doc Pete LawnSite Gold Member
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    Any hydro can true zeroturn with a bullrider. "NO" belt drive can zeroturn, period. However, a beltdrive can "fake" a zeroturn, by turning on a very small radius.
     
  5. Rick Jones

    Rick Jones LawnSite Senior Member
    from NY
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    Very true, but many people think they can. Ever look at eBay listings for belt-driven walk behinds?;)
     
  6. DennisF

    DennisF LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Florida
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    Belt driven walk behind mowers are not designed to perform zero turns. They have their place in the mowing arena, but zero turns are not what they're for. I have a Scag 48 belt drive WB and it has served me well for 7 years and more than 3500 hours without so much as a hick-up. The mower is a Godsend on steep lots where a ZTR couldn't even think of going. I'll never be without a good walk behind mower for a lot of reasons.

    As far as the sulky is concerned, I have a velky X2 on my Scag and I don't have a problem with ruts. The soil here in Florida is sand and ruts are rarely a problem.
     
  7. MacLawnCo

    MacLawnCo LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Pete, im only 175ish. can you z turn on your 54 when you only make one pass around the peremeter?
     
  8. Envy Lawn Service

    Envy Lawn Service LawnSite Fanatic
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    Simple

    Is the distance from the center (3 blade deck) or left (2 blade deck) to where you stand longer than your width of cut?

    If yes, the answer is no. If no, the answer is yes.
     
  9. Doc Pete

    Doc Pete LawnSite Gold Member
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    Mac,
    I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll say this. After I've done a spot (nice property) that I've gone "back and forth" (striping style) on, I usually do "two" passes around the perimeter to make things looks "just right". However, I "can" do just one pass around a crummy property, and have enough room to zeroturn at the ends without leaving uncut grass. This does take a bit of a technique......
    Pete
     
  10. Roger

    Roger LawnSite Fanatic
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    I have a BullRider on a 36" Exmark hydro. The sulky wheels track directly behind my mower drive wheels (why I bought the BR!). I've seen very limited rutting with the sulky wheels. If the ground is very wet and soft (rare when I mow this way), the mower will already make heavy marks.

    My machine is too small to use in caster mode. The BR is just too heavy, providing too much feedback to the mower to allow me to drive it properly. Caster mode was my intended use, but I had to switch to trailer mode. However, having said that, buying the BR was the greatest $300 I've spent this season! My productivity has improved greatly on many properties, and has saved many, many miles on my 62 year old legs! Less walking has permitted me to work more hours per week. The BR replaced a single-wheel Velke (used it sparingly because of the wheel mark down the middle of the pass).

    I've learned several different ways of making turns, depending upon the turf, the terrain, dampness, etc. But, I cannot make a zero-turn. The BR "hits the peg" before the inside wheel will stop. The turning radius is about 6-10 inches, on the outside of the tire. Typically, I don't use that type of turn anyway, rather using a two-part turn.
     

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