California Trimmer front throw mower (now eastman)

Discussion in 'General Industry Discussions' started by Cloud9Landscapes, Aug 22, 2009.

  1. Az Gardener

    Az Gardener LawnSite Gold Member
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    For someone without much experience operating reel mowers you sure have a lot of opinions (Chili reference) I have moved away from reels mostly because I have not found a client yet that can tell the difference between a reel cut and a cut with a Walker mower. The reel will go dull in a heartbeat if you hit a decent sized rock. It will come out of adjustment just bouncing around in the back of a trailer. I love reels and I love the reel cut... but as a business man I have to look at the big picture and unfortunately there is little room for reel mowers these days. At least if you are a profit based business. I have not been able to test out the Hayder yet but I have to believe Tx. he seems to have a pretty good handle on the reel picture.
     
  2. Grnhed

    Grnhed LawnSite Member
    Posts: 61

    Hey Az,
    um,,,,, I was the one that made the chili reference. Just so we are clear I didn't give an opinion about operating reel mowers. I shared my experience. Opinions are debatable and up for interpretation. A man's experience is not.
    Over the last year I am sure I have made the mistake of typing, I think, or I feel, or It should ad infinitum. It will be, to the best of my ability the exception and not the rule. If I cant lead the sentence with, It has been my experience, if I were you or anybody on this site, I would discount it.
    For the record, I am not interested in what anyone THINKS about this or that or whatever the situation is. I AM interested in your experience with, whatever it may be. Most of my adult life, people have demonstrated by their experience, what to do, and what not to do. That's what I'm hungry for.
    *shruggin*, I'm just sayin.
     
  3. Az Gardener

    Az Gardener LawnSite Gold Member
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    Ease up. I was "stirring the pot" yes using your chili reference, but I was referring to a person (who I quoted above, not you btw) having a lot of opinions although they admitted not having much experience with reel mowers.
     
  4. Grnhed

    Grnhed LawnSite Member
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    my bad,,,,,, I understand completely. but, I want you to know I apologize for it to come off as I was coming after you as that wasn't my intention at all. Sorry man!
     
  5. Cloud9Landscapes

    Cloud9Landscapes LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ca
    Posts: 546

    I'm opinionated? That's news to me. I might be investigative, but not opinionated or biased necessarily, that is why I posted this thread. To see which reel mower was best. I have previously owned a homeowner cal trimmer and it cut my lawn like no other, I haven't been able to match the quality of that cut with any rotary. The proof for me is in the pudding.

    Yes it is true that I do not have much experience in the lawn care industry, about 4 years. I have used my fair share of reel mowers. I have also damaged my reel mowers enough to tell which ones break easier, tru-cut always is the one with a bent reel. Go to any mower shop and see how many old Cal Trimmers you see compared to Tru-cuts. While reels may be finicky, you don't see anyone mowing golf greens with a rotary do you?
    You can have fun sitting on your walker cutting Bermuda at 1.5+ inches while I maintain my Bermuda at the proper height (1/2-3/4) and at the same time encouraging horizontal growth. And while I am a profit concerned business, In the long run I am quality concerned. Part of the reason why everything built today and done today falls apart or is made in China is because "quality isn't profitable" and that goes against my ideals. I'm in this business because it is my calling.

    This thread is like any other thread posted here on lawnsite comparing equipment, just go into the "Which backpack blower is best" thread and see the variety of answers. I knew that I would get about 40 different answers when I posted it. That is why I said "I get the feeling I am comparing Nissan and Toyota. But when I comes to reels to rotary's, that is a completely different subject.
     
  6. Az Gardener

    Az Gardener LawnSite Gold Member
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    grnhed no worries but I have to say everyone in this thread is too uptight.
     
  7. Az Gardener

    Az Gardener LawnSite Gold Member
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  8. Cloud9Landscapes

    Cloud9Landscapes LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ca
    Posts: 546

    Okay you are making your self look desperate trying to win this stupid flame war by throwing out non sequiturs and red herrings.
    It is quite clearly a fact that both Cal trimmers and Tru-cuts have their advantages, not an opinion. Somewhere on each mower something will be better, let it be something as major as the reel assembly or construction. Or as minor as ergonomics or a bolts tension. That's just simply logic that both have their advantages. Read my posts in this thread and you will see what i like and dislike about each mower.

    I agree about tx's experience, but should I listen to him only? What about the veterans of the industry that have worked on golf courses for 40+ years? Should I discredit them because one guy? I have talked to several old time superintendents and they all agree in one thing, that a reels quality of cut is better. And I'm not doubting that Hayter delivers a great cut, but Is that even relevant to the topic?

    I don't consider it an opinion when I have had more problems with the clutch on my tru-cut than any of the other reel mowers that I have owned. It is a simple fact that the tru-cut has more zerks than a trimmer. And thus, is one more thing to worry about. On page one of this thread you said the only reason you...eerrrr your crew...stopped using cal trimmers was because of ergonomics and that the drive assembly has a tendency to peel out, which I don't discredit.

    And all this coming from a guy who admittedly "has not touched a lawn" in god only knows how long.

    I hope you sleep well tonight for "proving" your points on a internet forum. And we all know that arguing on the internet is about a useful as tits on a boar. And that in the end, you will still have your opinion and I will still have mine.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2011

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