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Called to a fountain today

Discussion in 'Water Features' started by CAPT Stream Rotar, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. CAPT Stream Rotar

    CAPT Stream Rotar LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 5,857

    I am learning as I am going. Not a big fountain/ pump guy but I need to learn. Hence I took it on. Furthermore its for my biggest Commercial account on the upper cape. Only 1 way to learn and that is to do, so here I am with hat in hand.

    The call was pump won't shut off on floating system.
    I feel the problem is electric and hydraulic.

    First off I opened a ball valve in the ground that put constant pressure to this valve(superior s9 model?) never heard of it but eh.
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    The ball valve is in the same box as this POS. No idea what it is. First thought was that its a hydraulic valve. Like the Golf course. Never have I ever seen something like this. It's stuck on even when I bleed it and clear the chamber through the copper line..

    This is the fountain controller that turns on float valve and shuts off the upper jet from excessive wind (wind sensor).
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    This is the float sensor shuts off and on the brass 24 volt solenoid.
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    I measure 50 V @ these 2 wires which the float sensor works on.When turned the float sensor on and off manually, there was no activity @ solenoid in ground. Opened it up and saw the corroded wire and poor splice. Clearly over the 7 or so years of its life it got wet.
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    My guess is these wires travel from fountain's junction box > controller >controller output as 24 V through irrigation wire 7 strand> valve that doesn't shut off.

    Can't really be seen here but there is a shotty splice that got corroded over time.Rusted ect.
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    Some other pics not sure if they matter. 24 volt irrigation wire in output blue tape
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    overview of the pumping system
    http://s660.photobucket.com/albums/uu321/whitehatphishphan/?action=view&current=IMG_0503.mp4

    Yes i know water and electricity and water don't mix. I know I can get hurt if I don't think here. Very cautions


    So my thoughts are if i can get this floating system spliced back to normal and sealed for water and weather, put in a new valve I should be good to go..

    But I figured to run this by you all..
     
  2. CAPT Stream Rotar

    CAPT Stream Rotar LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 5,857

    Anyone here care to name that valve?

    Also if you all run any type of floating systems do you use reverse closing valves?
     
  3. CAPT Stream Rotar

    CAPT Stream Rotar LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 5,857

    Ok next question

    apparently know anything about this type of float sensor?
    When we switched the cylinder it was working the entire time, by accident.
    so we switched the floating device back and it worked just fine..

    I am lost here...
    Name that sensor?
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  4. tadpole

    tadpole LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,216

    Judging from the pictures that were posted (especially of the controller), I would venture to guess that there are very few , if any, on this Forum that have any experience with a fountain of this complexity. A pic of the entire fountain may prove helpful as would its age.
     
  5. CAPT Stream Rotar

    CAPT Stream Rotar LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 5,857

    [​IMG]its about 7 years old or so...
     
  6. tadpole

    tadpole LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,216

    Capt-

    Does this fountain have an auto-fill valve? I suspect not if it has a pump shut-off valve. If the water supply line daylights directly into the fountain basin, I would install an auto-fill valve and disconnect the pump shut-off valve. Auto fill valves are much more dependable in the long haul and serves the same purpose, which is to protect the pump.
     

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