Discussion in 'Pesticide & Herbicide Application' started by GALAWN, Apr 21, 2014.

  1. Georgia Lawn

    Georgia Lawn LawnSite Member
    Male, from Ga
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    That's why your the DOC. Thank You
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  2. Skipster

    Skipster LawnSite Bronze Member
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    The Certainty label says:

    6.4 Surfactants and Adjuvants

    Use a non-ionic surfactant at 0.25 to 0.5 percent by volume (1 to 2 quarts per 100 gallons of spray solution). Use only non-ionic surfactants that contain at least 90 percent active ingredient. Do not use non-ionic surfactants or other additives that alter the pH of the spray solution below pH 5. Use of surfactants that contain dÂ’Limonene, methylated seed oil, or COC (crop oil concentrate) may cause temporary turf discoloration.


    Why would you want to use MSO with this product?

    Using MSO won't improve efficacy (if it did, it would be recommended on the label) and it could cause damage. :hammerhead:

    These kinds of mistakes are what keeps the pros in business.
  3. ted putnam

    ted putnam LawnSite Platinum Member
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    :dizzy: :laugh:
  4. greendoctor

    greendoctor LawnSite Fanatic
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    :dizzy: :dizzy: :dizzy:
  5. greendoctor

    greendoctor LawnSite Fanatic
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    If it is so windy, you cannot get your scale to zero, here's your sign. Another one is if when attempting to pour into a measuring cup, the concentrate goes sideways. Yes, I have been asked about that by others in the business. They leave with a new hole. Spraying when it is windy :nono:
  6. Skipster

    Skipster LawnSite Bronze Member
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    All it takes is a 1 mph breeze to vary the reading on a gram scale.

    Either you don't spray when the wind reaches 1 mph or you have a very poor gram scale.
  7. Skipster

    Skipster LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Sure -- it keeps us pros in business because we get called out to fix all the rookie mistakes (like using MSO just because it sounds cool).
  8. ted putnam

    ted putnam LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Actually "LI 700" sounds more cool than "MSO". Maybe I should switch to it. Then, at least I'll sound much more cool when I am talking about surfactants.

    I mean, who cares if it works, as long as it sounds cool, right?

    Skip, I think you disagree with most people on here(especially greendoctor) in an effort to stand out from the crowd...no matter what. And, you're willing to make silly statements like the one above in order to do that...

    I've been treating lawns for 23 yrs and never used MSO until 2 yrs ago when I saw that it was recommended for use with quinclorac. There was a significant difference in how well it worked vs. other surfactant so I tried it with other herbicides and the difference was big. I'm not sure whether its because it is a modified vegetable oil and the plants more readily absorb the material or what the reason is. The fact is, it works and it works better than any other surfactant I have used. Many herbicides cause temporary discoloration no matter what is used with them. There's no way to avoid that. Explain this to the customer on the front end and this should be non-issue. This is the real difference between a "professional" and a "rookie"
  9. Turf Dawg

    Turf Dawg LawnSite Gold Member
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    I must be a Uber DA because I puts me some MSO in about everything except Speedzone.

    I likes me sum Peach ice cream.
    What flavor you like Ted?

    I bet we are both wrong to some
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  10. fl-landscapes

    fl-landscapes LawnSite Silver Member
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    Hey Ted, I was thinking of starting a new line of surfactants I'm going to name it "the super nizza wicked piza surfactaroni juice" I mean that's about as cool a sounding name I could come up with but seeing as that's the deciding factor I may be a billionaire over night. :laugh: someones inferiority complex has acted up again I see.


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