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Cheap labor

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Chip, Jul 18, 2000.

  1. Chip

    Chip LawnSite Member
    Posts: 187

    Here in southeast Pa we have a rather large amount of mexican laborers. I'm sure not all are here illegally but have heard through the grapevine that many are and work only for cash paid daily. They work as landscapers by day and wash dishes by night. Was told this by a very reliable source that said I could have one too. Starting to be underbid by other landscapers that use this type of labor. Anyone else experiencing this type of problem?
  2. Scraper

    Scraper LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,656

    Hey Chip. SE PA here too over in Delaware County. I think I've seen it, but haven't felt it in that way. I actually took a lawn from a high school kid that was using them as the customer was not happy that his laborers could not understand her. If I knew that someone was definitely doing it....I'd be the first on the phone to report them! All we need is more illegals taking money from Americans that can work. Albeit many are too damn lazy to work. I was thinking about loooking into the PA program where they give you a tax break for employing people coming off of welfare. Still thinking though.<p>I've also noticed a lot of the mexican laborers running around in their ragtag pickups with no gate and the mower ready to fall off the back. Think they're insured and collecting sales tax? Bet not!
  3. What's wrong guys not enough work in Phila.?<p>If guys who just came off the boat are your<br>competition you need to think about moving up the lawn care food chain.<p>Maybe it is time to reflect on your career choice.
  4. Twotoros

    Twotoros LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 494

    In Yakima,Wa. we have 65k hispanics as of last census('90) . That is out of a total county pop. of 275,000. Now those #'s are much higher . Have I lost biz? YESYESYES. Not only have I lost biz but the wage scale because of abundent labor is in the crapper and always has been . most of us blame the apple farmers for bringing in cheap help 20 years ago. this all means we work for underpaid people and it reflects in what the lawn guys charge . I have lost 10 accts this season . Not to hispanics but scabs . They are charging prices that I charged in 1986 when I started .A lot of the hispanics that have been around awhile have got into the biz and are not at all cheap but the customer thinks they are<br>and are hiring them for pretty good prices . They have crews made up of illegals and are raking their countrymen over the coals . So we got it coming at us from both ends . I could scream . Oh I just did,sorry. <br>By the way don't move here cause what's going on here will be everywhere soon . I think I'll move to Mexico!!
  5. Toddppm

    Toddppm LawnSite Senior Member
    from VA
    Posts: 268

    why worry about it?If you're doing quality work you should have more than you can handle and then you'll wish you had a couple of those guys. I use them when i need somone on short notice they dont take less than $9/hr.and usually worth it. they gather at a couple places in the hundreds around here.We have a huge percentqage of hispanics in this area. Funny if you get there late in the morning they're all gone. I know of a construction co. that has a driver pick up about 40-50 at a time in a bus. I don't think they are taking work from anyone that wants it at all , if they wanted to do the work they're doing they'd have a job no problem. They have families to feed too , even if they're not in this country, let them send their money out of the country, so what.
  6. Twotoros

    Twotoros LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 494

    Toddppm, I do do quality work . When I do work for less than it's worth and someone comes along for less year after year . That's what I'm saying . example: I bought some accts this year from another service who was scaling back .I lost 10 to undercutters . One was 19$ should have been 24$ some took it away for 14$. Another was 18$ also should have been24$ -taken for 10$ -1was 16 $ taken for 10 . All these ex-customers said I did good work BUT.......... . These were not hispanics who took these accts . People willing to work for 1985 prices are screwing it up . If you lived a depressed area you would see what I mean . And yes this may be my last season here .
  7. Scraper

    Scraper LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,656

    Stone...no offense, but didn't you see I said I took a lawn from them? Not only did I take the lawn, but I get $20/cut more than they did. That's the kicker that we're talking about! They're out there not paying their &quot;dues&quot; (i.e. collecting sales tax and insurance) so they can charge less.<p>I am originally from your neck of the woods so I know that you have not to worry about this crap, but down here it is a whole different ballgame. I know which career I'm in and I'm not going to let some &quot;guy off the boat&quot; decide what people will pay!
  8. thelawnguy

    thelawnguy LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,412

    This time of year Im turning work away, and cutting loose those accounts at the bottom of the sales report.<p>I must agree with Lawrence on this one, if you guys are still scrounging for customers by mid-July, and competing with migrant workers to boot, you better go back and see if your seat at the spice factory is still vacant. That, or take a day off and seriously re-assess what/where/how your business is tanking.<p>Bill
  9. slingshot

    slingshot LawnSite Member
    from pa
    Posts: 115

    i think there is 90 percent more scrubs undercutting than mexicans
  10. Toroguy

    Toroguy LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,075

    Mexican illegals still make purchases which ensures others have jobs. Since they pay no income tax and are not residents which means they have to look over their shoulder constantly. Not a lifestyle I would enjoy.<p>No situations like this in my hood...yet.

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