Command Pro 20????

Discussion in 'eXmark' started by lahanko, Jul 30, 2002.

  1. lahanko

    lahanko LawnSite Member
    from NY
    Posts: 173

    Can Exmark elaborate on the problems associated with the Kohler Command Pro 20 and the new high capacity air filter?
    Am I to understand that the carburetor needs to be changed to match the newer air filter?
    What are the symptoms of the wrong carburetor in regards to the new air filter?
    BTW I have a Toro 2002 Z150 that I bought early this season with the Command Pro 20. The mower continually likes to die out on hills or fast moves.
     
  2. Jman

    Jman LawnSite Member
    Posts: 217

    From the information I received there is a venting problme in the carb bowl that causes a fuel mixture problem while running on side hills or while spinning in circles. Your local Kohler dealer can replace the carb under warranty. The carb number is 24 853 99-S.
    From everything I have heard this will take care of your problem. If your dealer has difficulty getting the carb, have them get intouch with their central distributor to help resolve the issue.
     
  3. eXmark

    eXmark Manufacturer / Sponsor
    Posts: 4,258

    Jman,

    Thanks, thatÂ’s the information we've got as well. From what I understand the engines don't actually stall in this situation but they do have a noticeable stumble. All the feedback I've received from the field indicates that the problem goes away entirely with the new carb.

    The part numbers I have are a little different than what you've listed but your Kohler dealer should have the latest information.

    Thanks

    Terry
     
  4. joehar

    joehar LawnSite Member
    from memphis
    Posts: 39

    i too had the same problems with my new lazer hp,20 horse kohler.my dealer replaced the carb with another and solved the stumbling.i was only down 2 days as the carb was shipped overnight.see your dealer and youll be happy.:D
     
  5. lahanko

    lahanko LawnSite Member
    from NY
    Posts: 173

    Dropped the mower off yesterday morning for new carburetor installation and picked it up last night. I must say it seems to be a completely different machine, so far anyway just tested it last night.:)
     
  6. awm

    awm LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,354

    my six yr old 20 command is the best ive owned. sounds like another case of fixing something that wasnt broke,by kohler or exmark. whoever made the mentioned change.
     
  7. eXmark

    eXmark Manufacturer / Sponsor
    Posts: 4,258

    awm:

    This was a new problem for Kohler. As a result, your six year old Kohler 20 with the standard air filter is not effected by this new problem. The problems occurred after the canister air filters were added to the 20-hp Kohler Command Pro's.

    Even if Kohler had some problems initially, the canister air filter is still worth the trouble. Keeping dirt out of your engine equals longer engine life. Long engine life results in a happy customer, and happy customers are usually loyal customers. Manufacturers really like loyal customers :D . If the canister air filter wasn't a big deal, Kawasaki never would have made it available on their engines.

    Thanks for the post,

    Dustin
    Exmark Customer Support
     
  8. Richard Martin

    Richard Martin LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 14,700

    awm, your 6 year old Kohler predates the 1997 Phase 1 emissions controls. It wasn't a matter of fixing something that wasn't broke, they had no choice but to change the carbs. Also depending on the year of the engine there have been even more changes since Phase 1, namely Phase 2 which brought even more stringent emissions requirements which, in turn, required more carb changes. Blame the feds, not Kohler. They're trying their hardest to lower the emissions on a class of engine that contributes way less than 1% of total emissions. Never mind the fact that power plants release 60%.
     
  9. awm

    awm LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,354

    appreciate u fellas explaining the situation ,to me. dustin ,i just appreciate good equipment. so yes u have my loyalty.
    ill look at others and if a better machine is out there,ill give it a hard look. but a great pt of satisfaction w any machine is knowing the machine. im understanding this lazer more all the time. so id be foolish to change without a real good reason. u fellas can be proud an i know u are.
     
  10. duramaxlt

    duramaxlt LawnSite Member
    from georgia
    Posts: 8

    IF I BUY A 2002 LAZER Z WITH THE 20 HP KOHLER WILL THE CARB. HAVE TO BE CHANGED.
     

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