Complete Teardown?

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by Turf Z, Jun 12, 2014.

  1. Turf Z

    Turf Z LawnSite Member
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  2. alldayrj

    alldayrj LawnSite Gold Member
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    I wouldnt be standing that close
     
  3. Turf Z

    Turf Z LawnSite Member
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    That bad eh
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  4. E-mans Hardscapes

    E-mans Hardscapes LawnSite Member
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    Wow! That's one heck of a project. The block seems small for that application.
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  5. TPendagast

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    the block is fine,

    its a pre engineered wall system that was installed improperly.

    Ill venture to guess there is no drain behind the wall and it looks to me like hydraulic push and washout of base material.

    Im also guessing you will find no geo-grid when doing the tear down.
    That's bad.

    I find that when doing these tear downs and reinstalling, that the cost of the redo comes out to around 2.8 times the cost if there was no wall/landscaping at all and you were putting in new (and yes that includes reusing most of the block already present)

    So I generally use the 2.8 factor as a guide line , which prompts me to say, hey have I forgotten something on this bid? Im below 2.8 installed new……

    Generally 2.8, like I said is the average.

    I can't see the whole wall or know all the face feet, but before you waste a lot of time, find out what the customer is willing to have as a budget for this.

    if it's not tens of thousands of dollars, then no need to waste time crunching numbers, because it WILL be north of 20 grand.
     
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  6. Red Shed Landscaping

    Red Shed Landscaping LawnSite Member
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    We rebuilt the walls in the pictures for a walk out basement. They were built on sand and didn't have gutters on the house making it fail. It took us around 300 hours to take them all apart and rebuild them with a gravel base and geogrid. We only put new caps on since many were crumbling. It was around $16,000 to rebuild it for these relatively small walls compared to the ones you are looking at rebuilding.

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  7. E-mans Hardscapes

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    300 hrs is 18k in labor alone. Plus caps, gravel, and grid.
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  8. Red Shed Landscaping

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    Our hourly rate is $45 so that is how it was $16000 with materials. I gave the hours rather than just a dollar amount so you could plug whatever hourly rate in there. It would be nice if our area could support a $60/hr rate.
     
  9. TPendagast

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    I think when you look at something like this, and tell people "IT will be more than 20 grand" it saves you the time of bothering to do an estimate… because in their wee little minds they are hoping it's going to be like 5k.

    something like in the first plc which is probably 1200 face feet (maybe more)
    you could be looking at a summer long project.

    Most people aren't going to buy into that, they are hoping you can stick your thumb in the dike.
     
  10. DVS Hardscaper

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    It costs more to rebuild than to start from scratch.

    Always best to be transparent at the time of initial inspection and tell the owner everything up front. Meaning approx costs. This way you don't waste any more time
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