Concrete for hardscape paver edge/restraint?

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by Agape, Jun 22, 2013.

  1. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
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    There are many reasons it comes out of the ground. Professionals use galvanized nails and they overdig the sides by min. 6". They also bury the restraint at min. 1" below top of brick. Then cover with sod. The nails should stay put.
     
  2. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    Exactly. All outer perimeter is of an interlocking pavement MUST HAVE a shoulder of NOT less than 6-inches. And on slopes - even much more.

    Another reason spikes come out is because of improper base compaction. And / or the wrong aggregate.

    Canada has far worse winters then we have in MD. Customers question me about methods, etc. and I say "if it works in Canada, it will be just fine here".
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  3. Stillwater

    Stillwater LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Still wondering if I should contribute something meaningful.
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  4. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    Nah. No one reads this anyway
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  5. jmkr02

    jmkr02 LawnSite Senior Member
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    New phone sorry for multiple posts
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  6. jmkr02

    jmkr02 LawnSite Senior Member
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    Sorry new phone no more buttons

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  7. jmkr02

    jmkr02 LawnSite Senior Member
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    On those patios without the proper over dig what is the preference probably just not do the job unless you were to put the proper over dig? I have seen some good concrete edges others not so good. Pave tech edge is awesome but it seems to trap water or the bricks don't seem to be locked down to it. In some cases there are erosion issues due to grading or lack of turf and back fill. Others do the same thing with good back fill and good turf density next to them. Any thoughts?
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  8. Agape

    Agape LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I'm not completely against concrete yet, but it seems that if the snap edge restraint begins to fail, its noticable and fixable.
    If the restraint disintegrates into a bajillion peices, the pavers on the edge will migrate and start to shift and it's noticeable and fixable with an 8 ft piece of restraint.

    I would be interested in the process involved in the installation of concrete for edge restraint and why it would work better.:dancing:
     
  9. Agape

    Agape LawnSite Bronze Member
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  10. DVS Hardscaper

    DVS Hardscaper LawnSite Fanatic
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    In freeze thaw areas the concrete would have to be reinforced with rebar. It will still move, just it won't crack.

    Why is stamped concrete not good for regions with freeze thaw?? Ok, wex'll if stamped concrete isn't good, then why would a concrete border be acceptable?? The idea is to be permanent. That is unless you wanna sell a 10 yr maintenance package where you come back in 10 yrs. but then again, most hardscapes last 6 yrs.
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