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contractor transformers

Discussion in 'Landscape Lighting' started by NiteTymeIlluminations, Apr 19, 2007.

  1. NiteTymeIlluminations

    NiteTymeIlluminations LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 367

    Can some one tell me why Kichler would have discontinued their contractor series transformers? For those of you not aware of this, this IS the case. Something happened at AOLP that started this all. Spill the beans!
     
  2. Pro-Scapes

    Pro-Scapes LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,181

    Dunno. I just bought 3 pr ss trans tho. Isnt the contractor series the high tap ones ? Could be they are trying to conform to the proffesional more and not the guy just looking to string em along ?

    Disturbing trend I see now are the sales of voltage regulators are up. Not only leads to more splices to fail but encourages guys to daisy chain. I use them only to correct others work. Doing one today that has 12v at first fixture and 6 at last with the last strech of it being romex.
     
  3. NiteTymeIlluminations

    NiteTymeIlluminations LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 367

    I enjoy selling Kichler and its a shame. I am involved in some resort projects and we are putting the transformers in electrical rooms. Some of the areas require higher voltage taps than 15 which forces me to spec Hadco. I would just like to know who said what to Jack to make him make such a knee jerk reaction and pull the line. Its strange.
     
  4. Firefly Lighting

    Firefly Lighting LawnSite Member
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    NiteTyme- I think that you are on the wrong path. Kichler makes its own decisions about the items it makes and sells and I can definately tell you that they are not influenced by someone outside there company and most assuredly not the AOLP. The AOLP would never take a stance like and does not influence its manufacturer members in any way.
     
  5. NiteTymeIlluminations

    NiteTymeIlluminations LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 367

    I was told by an insider that Jack Miller had a revelation at AOLP and decided to discontinue the line immediately. I have known Jack for 14 years now and have worked with Kichler since 1978; something happened!
     
  6. Pro-Scapes

    Pro-Scapes LawnSite Platinum Member
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    well that anwers your question... Jack had a revalation.... Doesnt say someone told jack to yank em. Maybe he is trying to bring his products into spec and limit them to 15v.... maybe someone had an issue with a higher tap near using submerisble fixtures or something.

    Call jack and ask him why and get your answer straigh from the horses mouth.
     
  7. NightScenes

    NightScenes LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,206

    Doug, I buy Kichler contractor series transformers every day and have heard nothing of the kind. I will call Jack on Monday and see what I can find out, but I'm sure that since I buy about 60K a year in contractor series transformers, someone would have told me. By the way, I just ordered some on Thursday and the shipped on the same day.

    As a matter of fact, come to think of it, Jack Miller was just promoted and doesn't even deal with these things any more. I just fired off an email to Mike Southard and I'm sure I will hear back from him very soon. I will let you know what I find out.
     
  8. NightScenes

    NightScenes LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,206

    I can now confirm that Kichler is doing away with it's contractor series transformers. This is straight from Mike Southard who is the national sales director for Kichler. Thanks for the heads-up Doug. I wish someone had told me sooner.
     
  9. Eden Lights

    Eden Lights LawnSite Senior Member
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    What was sweet about the C series was that it had up to an 18V tap and didn't miss any voltages below that. I used them on all my large properties for that one run that you might need a 16V tap to get the proper voltage. Any one else make a 12-18V transformer? While I have been a big fan of Kichler's 15384 Accent fixture and transformers, I have always thought they were out of touch with the professional landscape lighting designer and contractor: worst website in the industry and a catalog filled with the worst photography out there. I think the bottom line is they needed more Sku room than the current 55 pages of worthless theme based fixtures than they currently have in the front of the catalog, plus another 8 or so starting on page 96. I still LOVE the work horse fixtures: 15384, 15385, 15087, and 15064, but every year I wonder if they will drop them too? Kichler also gets an A+ for dist. policies that help us earn a wage while doing our passion, if you don't understand that ask any flat panel TV salesman about current dist. problems. The split fixture stake is also the fastest and most versatile out there. I could go on and on but the rant is off now, anyone else feels this way?
     
  10. NightScenes

    NightScenes LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,206

    Yes! Yes! Yes! I have been a Kichler elite premier contractor for some time and there are a handful of fixtures that I use. Most of the stuff in their catalog I would not use, but they are a "designer" lighting company. They have always been very good about listening to the contractor as well, though the subject of this transformer was not braught up lately and last year it was heavily promoted, which is why I started using it.

    Now that I have about 100 of them in the field and many more in stock, I might be looking to see what else is available. It is nice to have a couple of extra volts available for those really long runs. Here in Texas I have a lot of projects that are over an acre and some that are 3 acres. By using that transformer I had to use a lot less #8 wire which is very high.

    I will not use the Unique transformer that goes all the way up to 22 volts either. that's going way overboard.

    Maybe We can get them from Clarolux or Garden Light. They both carry MDL transformers.
     

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