Convert Bahia to bermuda

Discussion in 'Florida Lawn Care Forum' started by Plantculture, Apr 23, 2011.

  1. Plantculture

    Plantculture LawnSite Member
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    I have about 1.5 acres of turf that i am converting from bahia to bermuda.
    It gets overseeded with Perennial Rye Nov 1 , and receives no pesticides from Nov -April because of grazing horses. The bahia is thinning and crabgrass is getting to be a problem. I have quite abit of common bermuda already, but want to get a solid stand by November.
    Any tips to get this done without having a mess of grassy weeds?
     
  2. greendoctor

    greendoctor LawnSite Fanatic
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    Grazing horses? Listen, I spray grazed land with a number of herbicides to control weeds and brush. The only restrictions I know of concern dairy cattle, animals going to the market, and usage of manure from animals feeding on treated areas. In your case, check the labeling on products containing metsulfuron. Some are registered for use on grazed land for removal of bahia grass and broadleaf weeds. Generic imazapic is a good product for maintaining monostands of bermuda. It will control crabgrass and many other weedy grasses. The other advice I can give you is that nutrient management is just as important in a pasture as a lawn. Remember that animals grazing are removing NPK from the area.
     
  3. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    You might want to talk to these people

    http://www.hancockseed.com/application-area-239/horse-pasture-grass-seed-13/

    BTW from personal experience horse will eat the Bermuda first. This makes it harder to grow in Bermuda if the horse are still grazing the same pasture.
     
  4. Plantculture

    Plantculture LawnSite Member
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    Thanks for the tips. The pesticide restrictions are due to the fact that these are extremely valuable show horses, so I don't take any risks with pesticides during season from Dec- April. During season its wall to wall Perennial Rye grass, so the rye out-competes most weeds.
    I'm trying to get the bermuda to take over so that I have more options for weed control in the summer.
     
  5. zturncutter

    zturncutter LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Are you dragging the pasture to spread the manure or picking it up ?
     
  6. zturncutter

    zturncutter LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Reason I ask is that if the horses are on the pasture, as Ric said they will go for the Bermuda first. But if you can spread manure in the areas that you are trying to grow the Bermuda in it will help to keep them out of those areas while you establish the Bermuda. First hand experience, we have two.
     
  7. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    Plantculture

    You might be working at cross propose here. Any time you over seed HEAVY with Rye you will stunt the perennial turf by out competing it. We have found to only use 4 lb per thousand of rye seed or we see decline on the base turf. Of course a weak turf is most susceptible to weed infestation. I am sure the horse people could care less about the condition of the pasture in the summer months as long as there is plenty of Rye in social season.

    BTW I have made a great Pasture drag from two RR ties and 8 Ga chain link fence chained together.
     
  8. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    Zturn

    I am going to tell on my self. I am a Mule skinner and have had both Mules and Jackasses over the years. I also was a Horse Trainer and had a boarding stable before Divorce took the farm. If you were around Boco Grande 15 to 20 years ago I had the Horse and Carriage business there. Why I am telling this is because of your Manure statement. Jackass and Mules are much smarter than horses which are actually very dumb. One thing interesting about Mules and Jackasses is they will pick and area in the pasture and they will all use the area. Therefore all the manure is in one small area.
     
  9. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
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    GreenDoctor

    I have researched imazapic in hopes of finding a replacement for MSMA on Bermuda. The only imazapic I can find registered in Florida is a Crop or Ag product called Cadre

    http://www.cdms.net/LDat/ld337001.pdf

    If you read this label you will see it doesn't even list sod farms or Yard Grasses. Of course most grains are in fact improved grasses.

    Can you give more information on the use of imazapic for weed control on Bermuda??
     
  10. greendoctor

    greendoctor LawnSite Fanatic
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    Ric, check on a product known as Panoramic 2sl. Forget trying to find brand name Plateau. BASF restricts the sale of this product to applicators that they have certified. It is not RUP, but BASF decides who can use their product. I was not referring to usage of imazapic on fine turf. Remember that I spray pastures and noncrop areas as well. Annual usage on established bermuda pastures will discourage coarse grasses that only a goat would eat.
     

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