Corn Gluten not labeled for crab grass control???

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by upidstay, Mar 28, 2011.

  1. ICT Bill

    ICT Bill LawnSite Platinum Member
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    Marcos
    I really like distillers grain, it has nice color, spreads easily and does have a fair amount of gluten
     
  2. Dr.NewEarth

    Dr.NewEarth LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Correct your soil pH too.
     
  3. ICT Bill

    ICT Bill LawnSite Platinum Member
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    If you are on the wagon or in AA it would not be a good idea, you will smell like liquor. What do you mean? I have never looked at the pH, fill me in

    at $250 a ton it is a great deal
     
  4. Dr.NewEarth

    Dr.NewEarth LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I have a book here published by Acres U.S.A. that says to correct the pH and that will help control the crab grass naturally. It can take two years, but it works.

    I usually get flamed when I tell people this.
     
  5. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    Snake Oil and BS are still the only 2 great sellers in this lagging economy... You should try it for 2 years and write up a testamonial...

    I like Bill's CGM that is good for 6 weeks then you can overseed again...
     
  6. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
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    Actually, you're right.
    Even though its N-potency is around 1/3 less, distiller's grain is actually a better acidifier than cottonseed meal.
    It's proving over & over to be a tremendous product in terms of value in our heavy clay, generally high pH S. Ohio soil.

    http://www.ag.ndsu.edu/news/columns...tend-the-shelf-life-of-wet-distillers-grains/

    excerpt:
    "Before you pack it into the bag, verify that your wet distillers grain has a pH between 3 and 3.5. A low pH enhances preservation, especially when you ensile wet distillers grain with corn stalks or other high-fiber feeds that don�t contain enough water-soluble carbohydrates for proper fermentation.
    Most wet corn byproducts come from the processing plant with a pH between 3 and 3.5. Just make sure to ask for an analysis."
     
  7. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Right with respect to what? I see CG in soils that hover around a neutral pH.
     
  8. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    Now we're saying that fermentated corn will acidify a soil? Is that like saying UCG, vinegar or pine needles will acidify a soil?
     
  9. Marcos

    Marcos LawnSite Gold Member
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    For many newer clients who've had repeat applications of DG & especially whose lawns aren't yet developed enough to crowd out invaders, very recently we've begun to take notice of a common denominator of DG dandelion suppression in terms of an overall lack-of-vigor, compared to neighboring turf containing untreated Taraxacum officinale.

    Hat's off to Elfner, our neighbor to the northeast, for turning us onto DG a while back. :waving:

    The relative pH of distillers grains.... in a related article discussing DG weed suppression / control of annual weeds in nursery containers :
    http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/dspace/bitstream/10113/15807/1/IND44013939.pdf
     

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