Corn Glutten? Kinda useless?

Discussion in 'Turf Renovation' started by JFGauvreau, Apr 5, 2013.

  1. JFGauvreau

    JFGauvreau LawnSite Bronze Member
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    @ Grassmechanic : Yea we sell a lot of our resources with the states, I believe we have a good relation ship with USA, and I like it that way. We have a solid army forces, but you guys just have WAY more tanks and choppers! lol

    One thing I hate about Canada being to multiculturalism is they let outsiders join our government system, the RCMP (our national police) and they let them wear their stupid symbols that represent THEIR country when they are IN our country. For me it makes no sense what so ever. RCMP is a police that represents the history of Canadians, not Arabs with turbans! I am not racist, but if we let to many outsiders with different beliefs into powerful system such as the RCMP, Federal Government, Supreme Court etc. Then our Country is no longer being controlled or ruled by Canadians. Anyways enough with the rant :)


    @phasthound: I shall wait for this product to be available in the stores, and I will test it out myself, thanks for the input. I understand all the concept behind keeping a healthy grass is the best way to eliminate weeds. But my scenario is totally different. Weeds have been winning over the past 3 years. I'm dealing with lawns that have a minimum of 50% weed, but most of the time it is 75%, + very hard clay soils around here, extreme harsh winters with salt and no herbicides available. So for the major part of the home owners the best would be to start over with fresh sod or hydro-seeding, but everyone is to cheap.

    Everything I can think of about cultivar practices only help the weeds as much as the grass when your dealing with 75% weeds in a lawn. A lot of it has to do with timing your services properly according to the time of the year, soil temp, weather etc. which is also tricky. Water is another issue, no one water theirs lawn here because of the water fees (which is not so bad actually). So if your going to do top dressing and over-seeding, you pretty much have to plan ahead for damp conditions because you can never rely on home owners keeping their lawn damp.
     
  2. Grassmechanic

    Grassmechanic LawnSite Silver Member
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    ADIOS is DSMA, an organo aresenate compound. I don't see how a known carcinogen will be approved when a relatively safe chemical such as glyphosate is banned. Also, it is banned in the U.S.

    http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_Product.jsp?REG_NR=01015500011&DIST_NR=010155

    But, stranger things have happened...
     
  3. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    There is no reason for the lawns getting worse for 3 years in a row... I did the first 15 years of my working carreer with NO 'cides at all and still improved them over time...
    It was when the h.o.s wanted the 'perfect',,, lawn that 'cides came into vogue...

    I did not have even 15% weeds back then, even on the hardest clay soils or the sandiest sandy soils...

    How is your Dormant Seeding conditions looking??? Looking hopeful or non-existant???
    Is it a tool that you use to develop healthy lawns??? blaming the client for failure isn't going to accomplish anything... I'm not trying to offend you,,, but it doesn't sound like you're up to speed at doing EVERYTHING possible... if you already know it all then I guess I'll shutup from now on... :)

    We lost a lot of grass last year because the h.o.s didn't irrigate adequately and MOST of our grass plantings last Fall didn't even try to come up... but I did dormant seed before winter and I'm expecting that when the ice is gone,,, there will be germination a few weeks later... If I have to do some hand weeding,,, so be it... I do not allow 50% weeds,,, no matter what...

    There are ways of making cool-season lawns excellent and bringing them into maturity is the best anyways... 'cides are crutches for weak and dependant lawns anyways,,, so the sooner you deal with that reality the sooner you'll find a way to deal with the ban,,, legally...
     
  4. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
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    My gut reaction is that something is seriously wrong with the lawn care industry if it has not been able to adapt better to the tough regulations. I understand how difficult it is provide good results without pesticides, but many companies in the States are successfully doing so.

    It does involve a complete program of cultural methods and product usage. And it is a process, not an event. But it is being done.
     
  5. Kiril

    Kiril LawnSite Fanatic
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    Errrr, I was calling your unsubstantiated rambling horse shiit. Get it right.

    We love substantiated, scientifically valid claims and data as well, like what you see coming from Christian's, not some yahoo on a forum throwing around claims and accusations without a shred of evidence to support his assertions.

    So you know where all of Christian's research grants came from and what research they were for? I haven't seen you post that information ..... perhaps you would like to enlighten us with it?
     
  6. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
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  7. Grassmechanic

    Grassmechanic LawnSite Silver Member
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    The most weed resistant grass that I've seen at MSU field test is "poa supina". This grass choked everything out, excelled in poor soil, and is very durable. It's not cheap, but even with a blend with only 5-10%, it will become the dominant grass in a few years. In my personal experience, the tall fescues seem to be the pretty good at competing with weeds.
     

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