1. Missed the live Ask the Expert event?
    Not to worry. Check out the archived thread of the Q&A with Ken Hutcheson, President of U.S. Lawns, and the LawnSite community on the Franchising Forum.

    Dismiss Notice

Cost Comparison of Organic

Discussion in 'Organic Lawn Care' started by TScapes, Nov 4, 2005.

  1. nocutting

    nocutting LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 530

    Sure every 5 or six weeks sounds excessive from an organic guys education.....but if he wants to survive in todays market , he needs his program to compete with the majority?......Whos that?.....We all know who they are.......and whats avalible for them to use.........Dont they have fertilizers that last 3-4 months?...Yes, but why do they choose not to use them....its economics, If you can suvive on only 3 treatments a Season, "God Bless You".....but most of us need every visit we have to keep a cash flow.....if you have a secret please share it with some of us ole dogs so we dont need to keep breakin our arse's...............:blush:
     

  2. I guess the answer would be to have more clients, fertilize fewer times per client and you should come out the same - with more clients, the potential for more extras exists too. No, not a mouse, just can't see wasting my time or the customer's money, or the product. And, you can charge a little more per trip for the wisdom, and the fact that you're saving them from a monthly or every 6 week trip. I don't know, ya'll are the veterans, but that is my train of thought. Mouse, very funny. :laugh: I did LOL at that one.
     
  3. cenlo

    cenlo LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Posts: 322

    What I don't understand is everyone keeps talking about price comparisons between synthetic and organic ferts.....who cares! The "cost" problem will be your labour costs involved in the chemical free weed and insect control!
     
  4. nocutting

    nocutting LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 530

    Whats the fastest, easiest way to reduce weeds and insect threats?........Seeding........does it cost more for an Organic Guy to Seed?, I dont think so, we can use all the same equipment [ not restricted to usein horse drawn equipment in my area?].......By selecting the proper seed, you reduce the amount of space weeds have to grow..........By chooseing, endophytic seed, you are reduceing insects, ..........by selecting improved varities you are reducein disease and increasing drought tolerance............:blob1:
     
  5. TurfProSTL

    TurfProSTL LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 693

    :nono:
    Even a tree hugger would have to admit that chemicals are quicker and easier to control these pests, if he were being honest.

    The long term approach IS of course a thick, healthy stand of grass.....
     
  6. cenlo

    cenlo LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Posts: 322

    How do you expect to get rid of your existing weeds?
    Do you think the homeowner will water your seeds properly?
    How long will it take to achieve enough endophytic rye grass in order to repell the insects and the turf disease?

    I agree with endophytic seeding being the "answere" but I would bet that no more than 10% of your property owners will be willing to water properly in order to achieve proper germination. That leaves 90% of your clients pissed off! And don't forget when you overseed (which should be done 2-3 times per year) you can't use corn gluten to kill off the new weed seeds which will keep blowing into your properties because the corn will kill your grass seeds too! What I am trying to say is get the clients, teach them sound cultural practices, reduce chemical usage, add organics, and within a few years with some good "client education" you should be able to "almost" completly eliminate all chemicals.
     
  7. DUSTYCEDAR

    DUSTYCEDAR LawnSite Fanatic
    from PA
    Posts: 5,137

    cenlo
    what is the organic fert u like best?
    how much r u using per 1000 per season?
     
  8. cenlo

    cenlo LawnSite Senior Member
    from Ontario
    Posts: 322

    I use 18-3-6, 85% slow release with iron. We also use 8-2-4 corn gluten. Rates are around 5#'s per 1000.
     
  9. DUSTYCEDAR

    DUSTYCEDAR LawnSite Fanatic
    from PA
    Posts: 5,137

    18-3-6 who makes it? thanks
     
  10. nocutting

    nocutting LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 530

    "Over-seeding is a waste of My Time and My clients Money".........Slit seeding has a 98% seed to soil contact [ better than any kind of aeration to Boot!!!]..........Non-irragated properties, .........endophyte enhanced rye is only used in the late spring [ can be used inbetween corn gluten apps if nessasary for spot seeding as well]......Fall would be the time, actually late sept. in my area to use a 3-type dwarf type tall fescue [ also endophyte enhanced], if you dont get enough top growth then, you'll get a "Great Respoce in the spring", useing rainfall.:waving:
     

Share This Page