Curved Versa-lok stairs

Discussion in 'Hardscaping' started by Steiner, Jul 1, 2009.

  1. Steiner

    Steiner LawnSite Senior Member
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    I am getting ready to start a job with standard versa lok stairs and while I have built straight stairs and the like I have never tackled curving stairs. A few questions:

    1. Can I continue to use the pedestal method on each successive course or will the radius get to overwhelming?

    2. What is the minimum radius of steps achievable with the versa-lok product?

    3. Does anyone have any pics of current or past jobs doing curving versa-lok stairs or maybe another product you like working with?

    I will include pictures of the current area where the patio is going. The height from the threshold to the patios finished height is about 2 feet.

    -Thanks Chris

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  2. Right Touch

    Right Touch LawnSite Senior Member
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    Yes you can do curved stairs with versalok if you have the right tools. If you use all standard blocks, your minimum curve will be no less than 10'. Its probably more, but we've never built larger than that, and all blocks had to be cut. Use a mix of standard and cobble blocks to help with the curves or get a good quality 14" table saw to make quick work of the cuts. I included a picture of a set of curved steps we did with standard and coblle, though I like the look of all standard better. This customer didnt want to pay for the extra labor to make all the cuts.

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  3. Steiner

    Steiner LawnSite Senior Member
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    Nice looking job, thanks for the quick reply. Do you have any during shots so I can see the different blocks used? Maybe I can save some time using some different stone?

    Cutting those versa-lok must have taken awhile. I have a stihl demolition saw, I don't think this is going to be fun.

    How many man hours on those steps?
     
  4. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
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    Bit on the high side don't you think? You could of easily dropped the steps 1" each and had a small step out the patio door.
     
  5. Right Touch

    Right Touch LawnSite Senior Member
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    nope. homeowner wanted level landing out of the backdoor and If we stepped down off the back door, there would have been siding repair. Homeowner didnt wanna deal with that. Not sure what dropping the steps 1" each would have accomplished. The ground level is alot lower in the picture because the steps are the first phase in a large patio that we will be installing at a future date. Once the patio is in place, the final grade will make all steps 7".
     
  6. Stone Creations

    Stone Creations LawnSite Member
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    steps look great..but if your in an area where there's gonna be any snow build up, the homeowner will regret he made those steps level..Hope you brought that to his attention!
     
  7. zedosix

    zedosix LawnSite Silver Member
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    Its not up to the homeowner, its up to you to decide how the steps should fit.
     
  8. Stone Creations

    Stone Creations LawnSite Member
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    Right touch, part of our job as contractor's is to inform the homeowner of possible conflicts down the road. I stop them @ " well i want it this way"..then I politely inform them that I dont alter my installs cause he "dont wanna be bothered with siding"..that landing should be at least 4-6 inchs lower for water run off and snow build up.Also hope he doesnt get a pounding rain against that back door cause your phone WILL RING and him saying" the water is coming in the house and ruined my $8000 hard wood floors"..yikes!
     
  9. Right Touch

    Right Touch LawnSite Senior Member
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    point well taken. And yes, i did inform him of those issues and made him sign off on possible water in house. sometimes the customer wants what they wants, and as along as they sign off, youre all good.
     
  10. D Felix

    D Felix LawnSite Bronze Member
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    RT- did you butt the block/cap right up to the siding??

    Sure hope not.
     

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