Well you gotta figure they think they're being smart, but see they are stupid, and they have to accept that I love that Christopher Rocancourt line. Because my take is that if lowballing bothers, perhaps my prices are too low. They can't survive on grass cutting alone and grass cutting's easy until they see the lawns I turn out, criss-crossed striped patterns with an immaculate cut. And unless they got a thick skin they'll get lowballed and pita'd to death, they'll be out of business in a year and flat broke, 2 years at most, 5 if they're super tough. Think it's easy? This mess has driven me over the edge of insanity more times than I care to remember, that's how BAD they wanted me OUT of business But that is ok because I was stupid, see I can accept that but now I got's a little some'tin It's ruthless out there, if you can't bid a job properly you will get took time and again, everybody wants something for nothing, 9 out of 10 potential customers insist on 20 to 70 percent off my rates. $1000 / week they've got to be joking, I gross that in 3-4 days lol because I can't make the payments on a Z with a k / week and I can't haggle with the IRS, either. See, I need 400 for the state by May 1st, another 600 for the county by June 1st oh yeah and another 1000 by end of April for both fed + state estimated payments. The Z is 230 / month, gasoline consumption is 12 gallons a day (93 oct = $40 x 7 = 300 / week), I get paid 1k / month and we haven't even gotten into parts... A Kohler engine's 600 - 1000 new, a tecumseh tranny's 200, each belt's like 20 - 50 dollars, a bearing is 50 bucks, blades are 10 each, it never ends I tell you, don't forget insurance and license fees, oh and the fines yes yes. But in 5 years I'm buying a Ferrari like this one: 1985 Ferrari Mondial - $17,995 Whooops, I think I just turned on another slew of new Lco's But then my estimates always stop the bs, well, almost always.