Dixie Choppers

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by GameDawg33, Aug 14, 2006.

  1. tacoma200

    tacoma200 LawnSite Fanatic
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    Heres you quote:
    "I laugh at that statement every time I hear it. Mechanically the EFIs are a small engine like any other. Still has pistons, valves etc that every mechanic has seen before. Instead of a carburetor, they have a Bosch fuel injection system that consists of an injector, a few sensors, and a small control computer. EFI is unbelievably reliable compared to a carburetor. Surely you drive a car and I don't have to tell you this!! The computer even reports error codes if there is an EFI problem.

    Think about your fuel injected car and truck. Are most problems related to the fuel injection, or the age old mechanical parts .... old principals still apply when working on an EFI engine.

    In the USA thats talking down to someone, explaining how efi engines have pistons, valves, instead of a carburetor they have Bosch fuel injection, surely you drive a car, etc, etc. Sounds like you talking to a group of preschoolers instead of your peers. Well so we got off on the wrong foot my Canadian friend. I have worked around fuel injection in many different areas and have personally seen problems with injectors (I've taken boxes full to be rebuilt), pumps, fuel pressure, mixing too lean, mixing too rich, sensors failing, oxygen sensors not sending the proper voltage, leaks, ground problems, and the list goes on. Usually they are dependable but when they do fail it can be expensive. I've really never had alot of carb problems. I've had alot more efi problems with equipment, autos, truck, heavy trucks etc. And I think Bosch should have put in safe guard against such things as using a battery charger or jumping one which they probably have by now. Bad engineering. Have a good day my friend to the North.
     
  2. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    They are Hydro-Gear BDP 21 cc, I don't know who you were talking to from Hustler but he needs a little more knowledge on the Hustler products he is trying to represent.
     
  3. MODIXIE

    MODIXIE LawnSite Member
    from MO
    Posts: 7

    Agreed and once again I was not bashing hustler in any way. They do make a good mower. I loved the cut on the machenie. Im still thinking about takeing on the product to sell. They would deff take on the high end comercial market that dixie missed out on im my area. Its pure exmark around here. And I think hustler can beat exmark on cut and that would make me money in the near future. But for long term. When dixie chopper gets thier decks cutting like these they will be on top of the market. And I dont want to take on hustler when I cant say they are better then my choppers. Cause imo the quality of cut are the only thing they have up on DC's
     
  4. tacoma200

    tacoma200 LawnSite Fanatic
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    I assume Missouri has alot of the mixed Northern grass we do here. The Hustler cut isn't all that good on Northern grasses unless your cutting low. Believe me my Exmark is kicking it's behind on smoothness of cut. Haven't tried and probably won't try the Triton deck though. Better test one good in your area before you take the plunge. I use the Hustler on rough lawns and the Emark (Ultracut) on the nicer lawns.
     
  5. sawman65

    sawman65 LawnSite Senior Member
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    well tacoma i did not see anyone talking down to you, and i am not going to have a war of wits with a unarmed man but...the kohler e.f.i. is a far better engine than anything out there.i think kawajunkie even has a copy out this year.and the kawajunkie is a substanderd engine compared to any of the others.dont belive me ?ask you hustler guy, hey mower consultant how many kawajunkies did hustler eat say three or four years ago? rember the top main bearing that was a joke was it not.and the coils i have a bucket full of em and lets not talk about the valves sticking and bending or oil pouring from the casting in the block not at the gaskets mind you but right through the metal
    now kaw liquid cooled engines are a good engine have nothing bad to say about them just the air cooled.
     
  6. Richard Martin

    Richard Martin LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 14,700

    Whether it will mow at top speed depends on who's doing the mowing...

    A lot of guys will just raise the deck when they get into thick heavy growth and under that premise, yes I can mow as fast as the terrain will allow all the time. I give the same cut week after week so when I lived in Maryland I did have to slow down in thick heavy growth. But there's more...

    I have a 2003 Extreme Mowchine with the 60" cut. A few hundred of these mowers will built with a mis-matched set of pumps and motors. As such the mower will travel insanely fast, well over 15 MPH at the factory recommended 3750 RPM. The only problem with that is the pumps and motors take more power away from the mower deck than you would usually see. As soon as I hit thick grass I have to slow down but it's nothing severe, just to like 8,9 and 10 MPH.

    On the subject of the EFI, there were problems with the early EFIs but when the new ECU was released a lot of those problems disappeared. Mine has had no problems to date.
     
  7. Green King

    Green King LawnSite Senior Member
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    MODixie

    were in MO. are you?
     
  8. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    Tacoma has heard me say many times I think the 28 efi is the best engine Hustler has at this time and he knows I run the mower just as fast as possible at all times. I have well over a hundred hours on this new mower and I just cut my personal property. Now that we have had rain and the Crab grass and Signal grass is growing thick and tough it is pulling the guts out of the 28 efi with the 66" XR-7 deck I have had to slow down a lot because of this in places I was cutting wide open before. I was cutting this morning and I said to myself, as tough as this grass is cutting I would love to have a 40 hp efi, from what I have seen with this engine so far I will never own another mower without efi.
     
  9. MODIXIE

    MODIXIE LawnSite Member
    from MO
    Posts: 7

    im in NW missouri. Bout an hour north of KC.
    The only reason im not gonna take on the hustler line is because DC is in devolpment of a new deck and if they get one that is close to what hustler has now, there is no way I could push a hustler over a dc for 2 reasons.
    One in my oppinion I think DC's are built better. This is just one mans oppinion. But when I sit them side by side it is clear that DC has the extra mile put into it. PLUS, the TM was pushing that hustler has the best warranty in the industry. Well he fround when I told him what DC's warranty was cause DC's is better.
    And im a active poster on the DC fourm, And yes if someone does come on there with a brand new profile and starts bashing or downgrading our mowers we tend to get a little bent outa shape. Its nothign personal, just we try to set that fourm up to where when people have a problem we get it answerd quick and corectly, before it gets burried under 50 uselsess posts. But if any of u have any serous questions about DC's we can answer them corectly and as long as u dont come on that fourm and start posting DIXIE CHOPPER SUCKS. U will get a fast and plesant answer to your questions.
    We still have alot of exmark and hustler and a few gravley boys on there too. They are part of the DC faimly now.
     
  10. puppypaws

    puppypaws LawnSite Fanatic
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    I know nothing about Dixie Choppers and I would like to know the differences that you think put the Dixie above the Hustler Super Z, just give me every comparison and tell me the differences. Thanks
     

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