1. Missed the live Ask the Expert event?
    Not to worry. Check out the archived thread of the Q&A with Ken Hutcheson, President of U.S. Lawns, and the LawnSite community on the Franchising Forum.

    Dismiss Notice

Does cheap mexican labor help or hurt an economy?

Discussion in 'General Industry Discussions' started by RECESSION PROOF MOWING, Feb 20, 2011.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. RECESSION PROOF MOWING

    RECESSION PROOF MOWING LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 376

    Interesting your point about the Mexican not knowing what white collar jobs are in his country because of circumstance. True, but is that America's fault? Just as the notion, "Is it my fault that finding good, hard-working American-bred labor is tougher to do these days"? No, it's not my fault. I hear that the white American owner is "greedy" because he wants to make more money. Don't we all? I have yet to meet the business owner that purposely makes less in order for his employees to buy a nicer car for themselves or be able to upgrade their bedroom furniture. Where is that owner you speak of? Just because the Mexican will send half his wage back home...that makes him virtuous and the "white owner" who puts in a third bath in his home greedy?

    I understand your premise, and it's a good one, one that many people will find favor and sympathy with. I'm different from most, though. Lower end labor from my vantage point, and I've seen many hundreds come through my door on that level of work...most have made plenty of life mistakes along the way to put them exactly where they're at. I meet a lot of stupid, mistake-prone poor people, including Mexicans. And believe it or not, I see plenty of worthless Mexican labor out there, no better than American guys we tend to rail on every season.

    We all like to think of the "working poor" as somewhat angels on earth just taking it for the team. They work so hard and realize so little. Play the violins. Overpaying American labor in order to justify reminds me of the auto workers getting $29/hr to put backseats in the back of Trans Ams years back. Overpaying because it's the "right thing to do". Is paying down the new "right thing to do" in order to keep a guy in business?
     
  2. PremierT&L

    PremierT&L LawnSite Member
    Posts: 223

    I have found this to largely be a myth. I pay my Hispanic workers 12 to 15 an hour, and every landscape company I have talked to in this area pays their Hispanic workers the same they would if they were American.

    I don't hire Hispanics because they're cheap. I hire them because they are hard working, reliable, and loyal. I have tried hiring college kids many times, but it always ends the same, it's a temporay job for them and they usually decide to go at the worst possible time.
     
  3. RECESSION PROOF MOWING

    RECESSION PROOF MOWING LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 376

    Did you ever think in your life you'd see that? You live in Missouri legally and want to go to KU, double the cost. Live with six other Mexican illegals in a shotgun shack in Jackson County proper (MO), come on in and we'll even help you pay for textbooks.
     
  4. IRRITECH

    IRRITECH LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 931

    Read post #2. Wisconsin is now broke because they were not going to pay "cheap labor". Sorry, mowing grass is not worth any more than $8-$10/ hour. That's what I pay and I guarantee that my mexicans work a hell of alot harder than your labor
     
  5. RECESSION PROOF MOWING

    RECESSION PROOF MOWING LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 376

    There's no way you or anybody else can judge "working harder" over a computer. Everybody thinks their crew works a helluvah lot harder than the next. If your crew can mow, trim, blow, p/u trash 65 acres per day for an entire summer without breaking...I'd pay good green money to see it! Just like I don't believe in the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny, but if I see eggs in my front yard and a quarter under my pillow...I BELIEVE YOU, BROTHER! I'm here to tell ya that your $8/hr Mexicans are just like everybody else's $8/hr Mexicans...sorry to break the news to ya. I don't use Mexican labor, but understand both sides of the arguement. Nothing personal, but people are people everywhere. Nothing special about your part of the world. Wisconsin's Mexicans came from the same Juarez hellhole that our Kansas City Mexicans came from.

    Wisconsin is broke because liberals, including teacher's unions, pay people not to work. Pensions are breaking the bank. Funded health care costs are breaking the bank. Many in Wisconsin want to suckle on the teet of the taxpayer until her nipples are swollen and sore. No 'mo milk! But generations of folks grew up on 'em and now expect 'em. If mowing grass is only worth the price of a couple happy meals to ya, have at it. Mow that grass, man! More power to ya! I believe, though, you'd get a whole lotta guys on this board disagreeing with ya, you just insulted their profession saying that thier efforts aren't worth more than a pimple-faced teen working the move house popcorn machine.

    Mowing grass is like anything else in life: you get what's com'in to ya. Eventually, $8/hr labor bites you in the ass. Mark it down...but ride it for all it's worth while you can.
     
    Last edited: Feb 22, 2011
  6. SNAPPER MAN

    SNAPPER MAN LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,443

    Recession Proof Mowing, who the hell do you think you are to always be talking down to everyone else. I have One thing to say to you. Chinga tu madre y ojal√° que no ganas nada de trabaja y que todo que tienes ahora no te pagan. So in lieu of better words, screw you.
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
  7. RECESSION PROOF MOWING

    RECESSION PROOF MOWING LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 376

    Those are some naughty words you're typing there, Amigo....I think...Chinga tu madre has to do with my mother I think...the rest of it is a blur. I agree with you that she's not the best mom a guy could be stuck with, but hey, they didn't give me a choice at the hospital.
     
  8. DaytonBioLawns

    DaytonBioLawns Banned
    Posts: 101

    This poster will be up in my business.... Here in Dayton, Ohio the illegals are a problem not a solution! They may work hard but at what cost?! Illegals murder 10X as many people than the # of soldiers we have lost in the war on terror....EVERY YEAR. They bring drugs, gangs, and diseases into the U.S..... They are the #1 form of terrorism....but for some reason since America has never been officially invaded we see it as domestic terrorism like our own street gangs...but the fact is that they are not domestic! They are foreign!

    If they commit a violent crime...hang 'em. That is my opinion. The punishment in other countries for illegal entry is decades in real prison, torture, and even death. Let's not give them a slap on the wrist or pay for them to have 3 meals, heat, and A/C in our prisons.

    Now I know the poster says "mexican" and most illegals who claim they are mexican are actually from countries other than mexico. So if it offends you because you are of mexican-american background I'm sorry. If you are mexican I don't give a crap. Go home and take your clown car full of scum with you.

    Sorry rant over... I'm really touchy about illegals.
    129844570325441.gif

    129844570325441.gif
     
  9. IRRITECH

    IRRITECH LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 931

    Sigh..........I don't know if you've ever been out of your small town, but you're definitely missing the big picture. $15/hour is roughly $30,000/year, unless you work for the government, running a weedeater is not worth that. I have worked all over the southeast in the last 20 yrs, and labor is a minimum wage job, just like the kid selling popcorn.

    Unfortunately the "American" labor pool has been overpaid for a long time. A labor job with a landscape company is not meant to support a lifestyle that includes cell phones, flat screen t.v., new cars, etc. But, if you split the bills between several people, you can live fairly well. The Mexicans get this and do what Americans should be doing, live within your means. Or if you don't like that, get a freakin education or some MARKETABLE skills and go get a new job.
     
  10. SNAPPER MAN

    SNAPPER MAN LawnSite Silver Member
    Posts: 2,443

    Irritech, I agree 1000%. if Americans didnt have the mentality that they are too good for manual labor or working for anything less than $40k a year we wouldn't have a illegal immigration and unemployment problem.
    Posted via Mobile Device
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page