Does cheap mexican labor help or hurt an economy?

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  1. PlantscapeSolutions

    PlantscapeSolutions LawnSite Silver Member
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    Agreed pretty much in full! The only thing that would worry me about some sort of amnesty is it would probably cause the cost of labor to increase. One of my year round laborers made $24.5K last year.
     
  2. Patriot Services

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    Maybe were getting to the root of YOUR problem. My grandparents on both sides arrived here legally through Ellis Island. I served my country for 20+ years and military still pay taxes, fica and ss like any other legal worker. I served with people that jumped through flaming hoops to become legal residents so they could enlist. Breaking the speed limit is a far cry from border crossing and identity theft. Liberals just love to dance around touchy subjects with politically correct terms. If you are within our borders you are obligated to abide by our laws. The very fact the government is unaware of an individuals presence and therefore their identity makes them a potential threat economically or criminally.
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  3. kilgoja

    kilgoja LawnSite Senior Member
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    legal or illegal...it doesn't matter does it...you're missing the point...i know i sure didn't get any help or any assistance when i went to college
     
  4. SNAPPER MAN

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    Honestly many undocumented workers working with fake ssn's are what is keeping social security going. They are paying into something they will never see a cent from. I have no problem with a person working to better themselves. You can't make the argument that they are taking Americans jobs because 99% of Americans wouldn't want that job in the first place, and that is because in the classroom they preach that unless you go to college you are nothing and cannot make a living at blue collar labor which is bull.
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  5. Patriot Services

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    With double digit unemployment I would wager a number of them would do jobs previously done by illegals. Make somebody have to earn that unemployment check and they will change their perspective on what kind of work they would be willing to do.
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  6. PlantscapeSolutions

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    In the past I tried about 200 Americans as crew members. All I have to show for it is a lot of headaches, some lost accounts due to poor quality, guys bringing beer to work, other guys bringing weed to work. I speak from experience when I say I've beaten the horse to death on giving Americans a try. If I had to depend on Americans as a source of labor I would quit right now.

    The average lifespan of an American crew member is about 30 days from my experience. You waste all your time training them and when you finally think they may not totally suck POOF they disappear. Now you get to start all over. All you have to show for your effort is pissed off clients and maybe some broken equipment.

    Not worth the stress at all. You do what needs to be done in this line of work to improve your business, maintain quality control, and keep your stress level in check. You go hire a bunch of Americans and your competition will come in right behind you walk away with your pissed off clients.
     
  7. PremierT&L

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    I'm glad you're at least asking questions. There is something called the earnings suspense file. This is where all of the money goes that is collected by social security from workers who have false numbers. Undocumented workers contribute something like $6 billion a year into the ESF which now contains something like $600 billion. Don't take my word for it. Do a google search and read about it.

    When you or I hire workers, we get a copy of their SS card and license or I 9 if they are not American citizens. Then we take out social security, taxes, ect. and send it in to the government. The government takes that social security money whether the social security number is a match.
     
  8. PremierT&L

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    No you're actually the one missing the point. You claimed that illegals are getting into college for free in the US. This is 100% false. Oh and btw, we as Americans do get plenty of assistance for college in the forms of grants and student loans. Are you saying you didn't take advantage of those opportunities, or that you aren't aware of them?
     
  9. sdk1959

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    I am so sick of hearing this BS propaganda. Why do Mexicans work so hard? IT'S THE EXCHANGE RATE !!!!!! Every dollar earned here is worth 12-13 Mexican Peso's the equivalent of $5.00 here. So if your paying your Mexican workers $12.00hr what it is REALLY worth to them after that money is sent back home to Mexico and converted to Peso's is $60.00hr. A lot of Americans would work hard at a unskilled job for $60.00Hr, for $12.00hr- not really.

    Don't believe me about the exchange rate? Here's a link below to the exchange rates. Do you see other foreigners flocking to America to work here? Canadians? Are you calling the rest of the world lazy? And you know why no other foreigners are coming specifically to work here? It's the exchange rate pure and simple- nothing else.

    Other countries protect their jobs, not America. And the rest of the world thinks were nuts for doing so.

    Yeah your right prices would go up if only American labor were used and not cheap foreign labor but so would wages and the available number of American jobs.

    Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with imports IF those countries don't limit American imports to their country. China is a good example. Not only do they severely limit any imports but if you want to sell more of your product there you have to set up shop there to manufacture it and hire Chinese workers.

    http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi?Amount=1&From=USD&To=MXN&image.x=35&image.y=15
     
  10. Patriot Services

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    I won't disagree on the fact of the American work ethic declining. Some people can't be motivated for any price.
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