Doesn't it bother anyone in Florida?

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by GrassChopper, Dec 15, 2001.

  1. GrassChopper

    GrassChopper LawnSite Member
    Posts: 131

    This issue has been bothering me for some time now.

    The pest control companies have made it very difficult if not impossible for LCOs in Florida to operate legally. FLorida statute 482 requires 3 years of working for a licensed company before you can even apply for a license to apply pest control. I think this is very unfair. I want to be able to apply granular (like LESCO fert with Talstar) but I can't because I haven't worked for a licensed company for THREE years.

    I also have a problem with the limited applicator's license. You used to be able to apply granular pest control with it, but now you can't. And you have to have three years experience to apply for this license too! Why do they force some people to operate illegally? Do you really think it takes three years experience to apply Roundup?

    I searched the internet for an organization that may be lobbying on the behalf of lawn care professionals, and guess what? I can't find one. There are several professional lawn care organizations, but their main focus is training, seminars and expos, stuff that makes them money but doesn't cost.

    I think it is time to have someone who represents the interests of LCO's in FLorida to answer the PCO's in Tallahassee.




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  2. Ric

    Ric LawnSite Fanatic
    Posts: 11,946

    AH So, Grasshopper

    I have full lic so I see things from the other side. First I am darn glad that it takes Three years working for a lic operator or a college degree and one year to be able to take the second hardest test in the nation. It takes 3 years to know enough to be a beginer and 3 life times to be a expert. I am shocked when I read post from other states that sell pesticide lic at the corner drug store. Pesticides are in fact posions that kill or control life or living things including our selfs. They contaimate our soil, surface water and ground water. We do not own the land or the earth we are borrowing from mother nature and must return it to her equal to or better than we found it, if we are to have social values. Enough of Al Gore and Racheal Carson.

    Pesticides are reason you live in Fla. the Bug Capital of America. Pesticide are the reason America feeds the world. Pesticides are the reason our life expectance is ever increasing. Responable pest management makes our world a better place. Responable is the key word here and this takes KNOWNLEDGE.

    As for Roundup and Fla. roundup lic (limited pesticide lic.) 99.44/100 % of the people spraying round up have no knowledge of the product. They have never read a label and have no knowledge that it is a FISH KILLER. In fact you canot even spray it in a dry ditch per label. Roundup is not a nonselect total kill as most people would have you believe. Roundup can and is used as a SELECT KILL and a GROWTH REGULATOR. Roundup can also kill brazian pepper trees. Knowledge of this and other chemicals is why Fla. requires you be experienced by working under someone's supervision and or a college degree.

    Remember that you are paid more for what you know than for what you do. Get in school or go to work for some one with a lic and willing you teach you. Knowledge is something no one can take away and should be a life long quest. Yes I offer my employees education and even attend the same college nite classes with them. I have retaken some classes and learn something new each time. I am always looking for good people who want to get ahead. I just don't want there backs I want there minds. I have started one guy in bus for him self as a silience partner and exchange work all the time. Yes good help wanted contact Ric.

    P.S. the Lawn Maintenance Assc. is trying to lobby in your favor and has been sucessiful in getting a keeping the limited lic here in Fla.
     
  3. Fantasy Lawns

    Fantasy Lawns LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I have No issues with the statue 482 .... I just wish they would Enforce it ....that law has been on the books since 1992 .....

    the pest spray people are a strong group of business people whom have a hold on their field .....smart to control the entry level of competion so the average joe can't join in .....n rightly so as many people just don't have a clue how to spray or apply chemicals correctly .... as for the LCO .....the average lawn monkey just cuts grass

    we sub out our spray work ..... much easier to handle ..... plus I get the added experience of the spray people to inform me of issues I may have not picked up on ......

    we have the limited for Round-Up n it's a pain sending those guys to class each year ...n expensive ....that's why code needs to enforce this .....

    down here on my street there are 3 operations ...2 have trailers n stuff under the car port .....we keep ours in a zoned area ..... I see guys cutting in flip flops .....this summer I saw a 12-13 year old boy cutting a nice yard on a 36" pistol grip while dad was weed wacking .....this was 2 pm on a school day .,...the sad part was the customer that hire them does not realize the legal liability they are in ....but this is a different issue
     
  4. GroundKprs

    GroundKprs LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,969

    In the backward state of Indiana, getting your pesticide license only required a series of testing in the 1970s-80s.

    In late 80s, because of the increased awareness of the complications of pesticide useage, a training step was added to the lawn care and structural treatment licensing categories, because these two areas provide the highest chemical exposure to the general population. To limit state resources in the process, the onus of training was placed on the industry; the state lawn care assn ran the training program for someone to take the state test for trainee licensing. During this time, someone with certain educational and experience backgrounds could take the licensing tests and bypass the training steps. But the state still, and always will, be the final tester on the individual's capability, in order to protect the population.

    In the later 90s, in order to keep the industry from limiting the people who could enter the field, the state licensing office came up with an intensive 2-day training session for anyone to take, then they could attempt the full licensing testing. There is, of course, preliminary study materials supplied before the training sessions. So now someone with a true desire, and the will to learn properly, can become licensed for lawn pesticide application in the state of Indiana.

    If your state licensing authority is not on this track, perhaps you should make them aware of what Indiana has accomplished. But then again, they could learn how to make it harder. We have one of the toughest testing procedures in the country for all pesticide licensing. ;)
     
  5. groundsguy1970

    groundsguy1970 Banned
    Posts: 166

    With all your surface water as well as downpours in the summer I think it's a good thing. Here in Washington State they're tightening up the loop.
    THE LESS BOZOS WITH LITTLE KNOWLEDGE AND A SPRAYER THE BETTER....
    :)
     
  6. GrassChopper

    GrassChopper LawnSite Member
    Posts: 131


    Well, it's sure nice to know I am a BOZO now.


    I have taken the time of reading 482 very thoroughly and guess what?

    The limited applicator's license does NOT allow you to spray Roundup anywhere except in plant beds. This means if you spray it on a sidewalk or driveway (in the cracks), or anywhere besides a plant bed, you are in violation.


    Secondly, the use of a weed eater or trimmer is prohibited except if you have a PCO license.

    I am certainly glad to see that some of you agree that three years experience is needed to spray Roundup on weeds. God forbid you guys have anything to do with requirements for equipment that can cause death or bodily injury. You will need a Master's Degree and 10 years experience with a push mower before you can operate a ZTR.
     
  7. GrassChopper

    GrassChopper LawnSite Member
    Posts: 131

    You said:
    AH So, Grasshopper

    I have full lic so I see things from the other side. First I am darn glad that it takes Three years working for a lic operator or a college degree and one year to be able to take the second hardest test in the nation. It takes 3 years to know enough to be a beginer and 3 life times to be a expert. I am shocked when I read post from other states that sell pesticide lic at the corner drug store. Pesticides are in fact posions that kill or control life or living things including our selfs. They contaimate our soil, surface water and ground water. We do not own the land or the earth we are borrowing from mother nature and must return it to her equal to or better than we found it, if we are to have social values. Enough of Al Gore and Racheal Carson.


    I say:
    I do not want to get into the business of spraying pesticide. I can understand the need for regulating that industry.

    You said:
    Pesticides are reason you live in Fla. the Bug Capital of America. Pesticide are the reason America feeds the world. Pesticides are the reason our life expectance is ever increasing. Responable pest management makes our world a better place. Responable is the key word here and this takes KNOWNLEDGE.


    Sunshine is the reason I live in Florida. I am responsible( I even know how to spell it). Where is your degree from?


    You said:
    As for Roundup and Fla. roundup lic (limited pesticide lic.) 99.44/100 % of the people spraying round up have no knowledge of the product. They have never read a label and have no knowledge that it is a FISH KILLER. In fact you canot even spray it in a dry ditch per label. Roundup is not a nonselect total kill as most people would have you believe. Roundup can and is used as a SELECT KILL and a GROWTH REGULATOR. Roundup can also kill brazian pepper trees. Knowledge of this and other chemicals is why Fla. requires you be experienced by working under someone's supervision and or a college degree.

    I say:
    If that many of the people using it don't understand it, then what good is the limited applicator's license. I read labels. I understand what I read. Thank you for condensing the three years experience I need into a paragraph.



    You said:
    Remember that you are paid more for what you know than for what you do. Get in school or go to work for some one with a lic and willing you teach you. Knowledge is something no one can take away and should be a life long quest. Yes I offer my employees education and even attend the same college nite classes with them. I have retaken some classes and learn something new each time. I am always looking for good people who want to get ahead. I just don't want there backs I want there minds. I have started one guy in bus for him self as a silience partner and exchange work all the time. Yes good help wanted contact Ric.

    I say:
    Good idea. I will shut down my business for three years and go work for someone else. I don't think my wife and child will mind that I don't make enough to feed them and put a roof over their head. I am paid mainly for mowing grass. I think most people can mow, albeit some better than others.



    You said:
    P.S. the Lawn Maintenance Assc. is trying to lobby in your favor and has been sucessiful in getting a keeping the limited lic here in Fla.

    I say:
    Trying to lobby for what on my behalf?
     
  8. GroundKprs

    GroundKprs LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,969

    Mr Grasschopper, throughout history more advances have been on the individual and social level by working within the system, rather that trying to shout the system down from the outside.

    Respectfully suggest you calm down and reread Mr. Ric's post in a few days.
     
  9. WLC

    WLC LawnSite Member
    from NE TN
    Posts: 80

    Ric,

    LMAO...... 20" Huffy with a 1 gal. sprayer and the wand duct taped to the fender for a boom sprayer and a 3 door pinto ............... that's friggin hilarious. :laugh:
     
  10. groundsguy1970

    groundsguy1970 Banned
    Posts: 166

    Who sprays bugs in FL??? The house I had in Maitland- we just kept a few lizards INSIDE, they'll eat palmettos(sp?) . ServiceMaster has FL. tied up as for aps....with Sears gone they got a mini-empire there! With tougher regs to come with terrorism fears and such....The Miss Florida in 2020 will look something like this:




    :alien:





    But with a tan!
    All Hail Blue Chips!!!!!!
    :rolleyes:
     

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