drought tolerant northern grass seed

Discussion in 'Turf Renovation' started by grass disaster, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. grass disaster

    grass disaster LawnSite Silver Member
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    is there such a thing?

    i am re-seeding some spots in my lawn and want to switch to a better seed.


    i'd even be ok with ordering it.

    i probably am looking to get 10-15 lbs.
     
  2. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    It always boils down to the right plant for the right environment... Just about any of the grasses that have been in existing lawns for my lifetime have seen lots of drought and flooding over the years...

    These lawns have mature grasses with long roots and plenty of energy reserves, becuz they haven't been pampered with spoon feeding fertilizer, nor often watering to keep the majority of root activity at the surface...

    There maybe 'clinical trials' that say this seed is better than that seed, but at the end of the day,,, it's how it is treated in it's environment... horticultural practices make the real difference in strength of survival capabilities...

    Environment can nullify strong genetics or even make-up for mutated genetics, depending on how they are treated... we train our Olympic athletes with the best possible environment we can, but there maybe better athletes starving in 3rd world countries, or tripping out on booze in this one...

    It is more important to get your turf to perform into a mature lawn... :)
     
  3. grass disaster

    grass disaster LawnSite Silver Member
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    i'm looking for drought resistant seed.

    i know they have corn now that is better now.
     
  4. Smallaxe

    Smallaxe LawnSite Fanatic
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    And just like corn,,, the top 3 choices for your area are already being sold locally... any new improvements are miniscule, until they move to gene splicing... good luck ... :)
     
  5. JoJo1990

    JoJo1990 LawnSite Member
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    So lets say a customer, who has lived in the same home for 20 years, calls and says that they want their thinning lawn overseeded. Lets add that they don't irrigate but have the ability to do so during establishment. They hope to have a cool season grass blend to match their current yard that needs as few inputs as possible. You will tell them that since there are no "gene splicing" seeds available, they are out of luck?

    Have you heard of NTEP?
     
  6. grass disaster

    grass disaster LawnSite Silver Member
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    i'm really not following what you guys are talking about.

    i have mainly perennial rye and blue grass.

    are you guys saying that there are no other varieties very similar to this that can with stand the heat a little better than what i currently have?
     
  7. RigglePLC

    RigglePLC LawnSite Fanatic
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    The Texas bluegrass hybrids are a good bet.
    However...overseeding...sometimes fails to get a good take--as much as 90 percent may not establish itself because of competition with the old grass, and the slow start that is typical of all bluegrasses.
    http://www.ext.colostate.edu/mg/gardennotes/563.html

    Scotts brand is Thermal Blue or Longhorn.

    Second choice is to seed in a tall fescue--which can survive further south than Kentucky bluegrass. But only a few types will match your old grass--and you could end up with clumps of a different type of grass.

    For best results--remove old grass and install tall fescue sod.
     
  8. JoJo1990

    JoJo1990 LawnSite Member
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    Grass Disaster - There are absolutely improved varieties that are more drought tolerant than even was available ten years ago. If you had the capability to irrigate and glyphosate (RoundUP) the old grass, why not just aerate, slice seed and have all new grass variety planted? If that's not in your budget, overseeding each year with the improved variety will introduce the new seed crop slowly but surely.

    The National Turfgrass Evaluation Program rates how well seeds and the grass plants perform in categories such as disease resistance, leaf color, drought tolerance and many more qualities. You can then go through and find named varieties that have performed the best in drought tolerance and select those for your particular application. Will that particular seed cost more? Absolutely. Will it be a better quality seed and eventually a grass plant that some off brand/no name outdated box store seed? Absolutely.
     
  9. phasthound

    phasthound LawnSite Platinum Member
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  10. Snyder's Lawn Inc

    Snyder's Lawn Inc LawnSite Platinum Member
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    What rate you putting down when you see clumping fescue
    To the OP
    Slit seed 5 blend turf Fescue at high rate 6-8lb per 1k
    in cpl years it will crowd out the bluegrass in sunny areas and even shady areas
    If you buy K31 fescue you realy have to seed heavy 7-9 lb per 1k
    New lawn I seed 10lbs of turf fescue per 1k
    If I seed with K31 I'll use 12lbs per 1k
     

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