dump or dump trailer

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by BLC1, Oct 7, 2010.

  1. 4 seasons lawn&land

    4 seasons lawn&land LawnSite Gold Member
    from NY
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    DOT officers love to give BS tickets so Id ask someone with less of a conflict of interest.

    I looked up both. Your laws are both the same and this is it.

    A vehicle towing a unit with a manufacturer's GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs. when the GCWR exceeds 26,000 lbs.

    They are telling you the law but theyre leaving the last part out. You can tow a trailer that weighs 25,900 pounds if you tow it with a bicycle. More realistically, you can tow a 14,000 lb equipment trailer with a 3/4 ton pick-up.
     
  2. Duffster

    Duffster LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Midwest
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    And like wise you don't know what the trailer is.

    Doesn't matter what size truck you are talking about.

    Any truck can handle more weight on the trailer and tow it than to have it on it's back(frame).
     
  3. Duffster

    Duffster LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Midwest
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    This is not the case in Maryland or PA.

    I suggest you guys look up the laws yourselves instead of trusting Barney Fife.
     
  4. Duffster

    Duffster LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Midwest
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    With a F550 you can still tow 10k without needing a CDL.
     
  5. 4 seasons lawn&land

    4 seasons lawn&land LawnSite Gold Member
    from NY
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    Thank you...
     
  6. Marek

    Marek LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Glad you guys from the midwest and NY know Marylands laws so well.Open up the cover to the "Maryland Commercial Drivers License Manual " and on the first page it says a class C license: Authorizes the licensee to operate any single vehichle les that 26001 pounds GVWR or any such vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.

    Class B License : Authorizes the licensee to operate any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds; any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.
     
  7. Marek

    Marek LawnSite Bronze Member
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    Show me how you can leagally do this in MD . Only way to do so is to register the 550 at 16k.
     
  8. PerfectEarth

    PerfectEarth LawnSite Bronze Member
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    4 Seasons is correct. This is a constant topic that probably takes up half of my post-count.

    I have an f-550 dump at 19,000# GWVR.
    I also have a 12,000# GVRW Bri-Mar dump trailer. I use them together. I had to get my Class A CDL to do so.

    BECAUSE the TRAILER is over 10,000.... IF my trailer was an even 10,000#, I would not need the CDL....TRUE, I would be over the 26,000 COMBINED limit (I'd be at 29,000# GCWR)- BUT the trailer would not be over 10,000

    Read this- this is straight from the FMCSA website, under federal CDL standards. --->

    Drivers have been required to have a CDL in order to drive certain CMVs since April 1, 1992.

    The Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) has developed and issued standards for the testing and licensing of CDL holders. These standards require States to issue CDLs to certain CMV drivers only after the driver passes knowledge and skills tests, administered by the State and related to the type of vehicle the driver expects to operate. Drivers are required to obtain and hold a CDL if they operate in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce if they drive a vehicle that meets any of the classifications of a CMV described below.

    Classes of License:

    The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:

    Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

    The key word here is PROVIDED.
     
  9. Duffster

    Duffster LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Midwest
    Posts: 1,193

    For starters do you realize that MD has the same requirements as the Feds?

    That isn't what it really says now is it?

    IIRC it says something like this.

    So if the truck is under 26k or under and the trailer is 10k or under you only need a class C.

    It also says something about a CGVWR of less than 26k but your MVA website is down so I can't look it up at this time.

    That wouldn't be the case anyway since it is based off GVWR.

    Why don't you show us where it says you need a CLass A for a trailer over 10k?
     
  10. Marek

    Marek LawnSite Bronze Member
    Posts: 1,385

    MARYLAND COMMERCIAL DRIVER LICENSE CLASSES
    Each driver applicant must possess and be tested on his/her knowledge and skills, for the
    commercial motor vehicle for which he/she desires a commercial driver’s license.
    Class A license: Authorizes the licensee to operate Tractor/Trailer or Combinations of vehicles
    with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds if the GVWR of the vehicle being towed is in
    excess of 10,000 pounds.
    Class B License: Authorizes the licensee to operate any single vehicle with a GVWR of
    26,001 or more pounds; Any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds
    GVWR.
    Class C License: Authorizes the licensee to operate any single vehicle less that 26,001
    pounds GVWR; or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR,
    and is designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver, or is used in the
    transportation of materials found to be hazardous for the purpose of the Hazardous Materials
    Transportation Act and which requires the motor vehicle to be placarded under the Hazardous
    Materials Regulations.

    http://www.calleva.org/pdf/CDL_Handbook.pdf
     

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