dump trailer question

Discussion in 'Trucks and Trailers' started by cutbetterthanyou, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. cutbetterthanyou

    cutbetterthanyou LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I was thinking about buying a 14k or 16k dump trailer. It seems that most compananys make the 14k, but when i see a 16k they say that they have 2
    7k axles how is it a 16k trailer with only 14k worth of axles? Makes no sense, are they the same as a 14k but lie and sell them as 16k?http://www.texaspridetrailers.com/OSTD-DT-14K-BP-7X14X3-TANDEM-AXLE.htm
     
  2. 4 seasons lawn&land

    4 seasons lawn&land LawnSite Gold Member
    from NY
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    Some trailer manufacturers are starting to figure out that you can add tongue weight to the gvw. 14000 axles + 2000 on the hitch = 1 ton extra payload. Only prob is cdl reguirements.
     
  3. cutbetterthanyou

    cutbetterthanyou LawnSite Bronze Member
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    So can't u do the same wiith a 14k put 14k on the trailer and 2k on the truck? Or is it all in the way its registerd
     
  4. 4 seasons lawn&land

    4 seasons lawn&land LawnSite Gold Member
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    good question. IDK. Must be the reg. I just know Cam has been doing this for years and the dealer says it so you can tow more.
     
  5. Duffster

    Duffster LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Midwest
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    The right way is to have the GVWR > sum GAWR.

    GVWR = sum GAWR makes no sense.

    Nodody is lieing.
     
  6. Duffster

    Duffster LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Midwest
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    Wouldn't you be over GVWR that way?
     
  7. 4 seasons lawn&land

    4 seasons lawn&land LawnSite Gold Member
    from NY
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    depends. Do they consider that extra ton as part of the trailer or truck?
     
  8. Duffster

    Duffster LawnSite Bronze Member
    from Midwest
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    GVWR is GVWR.
     
  9. cutbetterthanyou

    cutbetterthanyou LawnSite Bronze Member
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    I have no clue it is confusing to me. The weight in me door jam is 9200 so i can put 16800 behind it.Right or wrong? I don't understand
     
  10. MDLawn

    MDLawn LawnSite Bronze Member
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    To me this is a grey area. I'm sure it's against manufacturer recommendations but it's not listed on the door jamb either. Here is the other thing that I understand. A fully loaded 14-16k trailer will put 1400-1600lbs of tongue weight on the hitch following the 10% guideline. Is your hitch even capable of that? Will you be over your trucks GAWR with the trailer hooked and the bed full? I finally upped to a dually just to have more wiggle room in the GVWR and GAWR and have a truck that's actually rated to tow 14,100lbs. I also upgraded the hitch from the 2" 800lb tongue 8000lb weight carrying one to a 2 1/2" 2000lb tongue 18,000lb weight carrying one. This thing is an animal compared to the stock hitch. I may be a safety nerd but a 14k bumper pull is no joke of a trailer, especially fully loaded. I admit my trailer is not always loaded to that but when it was I'm glad I had the truck for it.
     

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