ECS vs. T-Bar vs. H-Bar on HYDRO Units

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by Fareway Lawncare, Jan 3, 2004.

  1. Fareway Lawncare

    Fareway Lawncare LawnSite Silver Member
    from Canada
    Posts: 2,222

    Toro T-Bar

    Pros

    -Very easy to use & learn.
    -Able to control w/ one hand.

    Cons

    -Zero turns are difficult & imprecise as the bar is joined & independent wheel control lacking
    -Somewhat sloppy for fine work.
    -Difficult to control on hills
    -Lacks cruise control

    Hustler H-Bar

    Can be considered an evolution of the T-Bar, similar concept w/fixed bar but w/ advantages the T-Bar lacks.

    Pros

    -Very easy to use & learn
    -Able to control w/ one hand
    -Excellent for wide are mowing w/velke for speed control & wide turns.

    Cons

    -Difficult to lift front of deck
    -Lacks independent wheel control input from operator on the Z-turns which may lead to more divoting or 3-point turns.
    -Lacks cruise control (may have this now)

    ECS

    Pros.

    -Excellent independent wheel control on z-turns . Operator input can allow for z turn @ higher speeds & in varying conditions.
    -Very precise in tight areas
    -Fairly easy to flip up deck while mowing
    -Cruise control

    Cons.

    -Can be fatiguing
    -Longer learning curve
    -Cannot operate effectively w/ one hand.

    Please refrain from flaming if replying to this thread.
     
  2. Kelly's Landscaping

    Kelly's Landscaping LawnSite Platinum Member
    Posts: 4,307

    ECS I have them you can not push down on the mower to lift the deck with out a Herculean effort arms are just not in the right alignment and going over ledge or medium rocks is much harder then the old pistil grips this spring I intend to pay to have the mower converted to conventional hand grips.
     
  3. Doc Pete

    Doc Pete LawnSite Gold Member
    Posts: 3,469

    There's no need to flame. You see, like the boy that cried wolf once too often, all of us that know you as Ultimate Lawns and many other names, won’t play one of your games. I hope others that are not aware of you childish pranks will not succumb to bothering to answer you.
     
  4. edward hedrick

    edward hedrick LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 871

    I like the T bar. Have a 52 Toro wb belt, and a 52 Lesco w T BAR

    I like this set up. Can be driven 1 handed, If you let go on the Toro, the blade stops and forward motion stops, engine runs.

    With T bar I have a varible speed w 4 settings. To back up let go

    of T. pull machine back or shift to reverse push T. Works well in rain. Ed
     
  5. Signature Services

    Signature Services LawnSite Member
    Posts: 43

    Is the T-bar the other model of handle versus the trigger models?
     
  6. Fareway Lawncare

    Fareway Lawncare LawnSite Silver Member
    from Canada
    Posts: 2,222

    edward hendrick, I like the T-Bar as well but you lose one of the great features of a hydro, which is controlled zero turns.

    The independant wheel control is lacking & while you can punch it to make one wheel spin forward & one back it is much more difficult than 2 lever systems like ECS or pistols.

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  7. Rick Jones

    Rick Jones LawnSite Senior Member
    from NY
    Posts: 427

    Maybe the T-bar is a little more difficult to z-turn than ECS or pistols, but it is a lot easier on the hands.

    The T-bar is ideal for limp-wristed sissies and those who just want a mower that is easier to operate!! ;)
     
  8. GBCS

    GBCS LawnSite Member
    from Texas
    Posts: 93

    What about Gravely Pro Steer?
     
  9. I cant belive ultimate lawn man of a 1000 screen names is still among the lawnsite membership....guess where you can shove all those t bar's and h bars....mister fareway lawncare... jackoff d...casey...slim shady.....johnnie walker...tobey...calvin...and all the rest.?
     
  10. John Gamba

    John Gamba LawnSite Fanatic
    from ct
    Posts: 10,812

    Pete!
    I hear the t bar will get a speed control leaver I think its just what the doctor ordered.
    Have a great new year!!
    John
     

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