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Edging price $0.10/ft? Mulching price? Trying to make money for engagement ring

Discussion in 'Lawn Mowing' started by onelegjohn, Jun 21, 2001.

  1. onelegjohn

    onelegjohn LawnSite Member
    Posts: 77

    Yes - I am another College student doing some lawncare. I have a few lawn accounts and just stuck primarily to mowing. In the last week I have had some interesting propositions. (1)About 300 yrds of a city corner lot. (2) Some brush hogging - I have a Gravely walkbehind...works as good as a billy goat brush cutter (3) Mulching a flower bed. (4) removing 1 ft. depth of dirt from a 20x48 building. I am looking into renting a skidster here. How much am I looking to pay for a days rental?


    (1) Some people say to double the cost of the mulch per yard and that is what you charge to apply it including the cost of mulch.

    (2) I have no idea what to chage on this one. $15 an hour? Wear and tear and my time.

    (3) Just mulching some flower beds around a house. Some trees also.

    (4) This is an interesting job. The home owners want to pour cement in the floor of their pole barn. It needs to be dug down 1 ft. in order to allow for gravel and drainage. This is a big job and I am not using a shovel and wheel borrow.

    I can answer questions about mowing and have that down - this odd stuff is a learning experience.

    I would consider hiring others to help or do the job.

    I would appreciate some sort of code to charge by if at all possible.

    Thanks,
    Nate

    Just me, my Scag, and my Gravely's.
     
  2. onelegjohn

    onelegjohn LawnSite Member
    Posts: 77

    Oh - (1)that's about 300 yards of edging counting both sides.
     
  3. eskals

    eskals LawnSite Member
    Posts: 210

    I don't know mucgh about the lawncare side of things, so I won't comment there. As far as the digging goes, just realize that you will be digging out over 35 cubic yards of dirt. As far as equipment goes, just call around and ask rental places what they charge. Around here is is typically less than $200/day.

    You may want to consider subbing this out. I was working on a project and someone on lawnsite suggested subbing work out. At first I was skeptical, but it worked out great. Just get the other guys price and tack on 15%.

    Eric
     
  4. onelegjohn

    onelegjohn LawnSite Member
    Posts: 77

    I appreciate the help - Is there some sort of deposit needed to rent? Also, I have a 2900 lb trailer and a little Ford Ranger - is this asking a lot from my truck and trailer? I would rather get it myself than pay a delivery fee.

    Thanks,
    Nate
     
  5. eskals

    eskals LawnSite Member
    Posts: 210

    Sorry to say, but you would be asking too much of your trailer and ranger. A Bobcat 773 weighs roughly 6000 pounds. Rental places usually charge about 100-150 for pickup and delivery.

    Like I said before, look into subbing this out. Sure, the Homeowner could just hire someone, but then they have to deal with the estimates, phone calls, etc. You hire an excavator, and tack on 15% for the paperwork, phone calls, etc that the HO did not have to do.

    Eric
     
  6. onelegjohn

    onelegjohn LawnSite Member
    Posts: 77

    I would hire it out but - I get more $$$ this way. I've got a Truck and trailer to use now. SO trusty is safe.

    Thanks
     
  7. CMerLand

    CMerLand LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 393

    Hey John

    Just to throw a monkey wrench in the double the mulch price theory, lets use this example.

    You have to buy and spread 10 yards of mulch.

    You use the el cheapos Shredded pallet mulch that the customer requested that costs 6.00 per yard. Total job cost $ 120.00. Sixty bucks of that is for your labor.

    Same job, but they change their mind and want to go with the pure premium licorice root mulch, that costs $ 25.00 per yard. Total job cost $ 500.00. $250. for your labor.

    Does it not take the same amount of time to spread the same amount of mulch??? You have to base your prices on labor + materials and estimate how long each will take. The cost of the material has absolutely no bearing on how long it takes to install the tree, shrub or in this case mulch.

    Do me a favor? Tell whoever told you that to get the h*ll out of my industry??? Thanks hope I helped.

    CMerLand
     
  8. onelegjohn

    onelegjohn LawnSite Member
    Posts: 77

    The assumption made was considered with a $15-25 mulch price per yard. Which sounds kind of reasonable. About how long will it take me to mulch a yard by myself and how long with one person helping? I was going to just use my trailer to haul it and wheel barrow it over to the beds. If you can't give me an estimate of some sort - give me an example of your last few jobs. I figure I am not a pro like you - so obviously I would have a smaller fee.

    Thanks for the help,
    Nate
     
  9. CMerLand

    CMerLand LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 393

    Nate,

    Industry norm is one man hour per yard depending on how open or extensive the landscapeing is. Bet your next question was going to be how many yards do I need? Well to save a bit of time you need approx. 3 yards per 1000 sq ft for per inch of depth. Id tell you more but now you know to much already, and some "PRO" is going to miss out on this job you're now doing?

    CMerLand
     
  10. parkwest

    parkwest LawnSite Senior Member
    Posts: 678

    First find out what the fine is in PA for operating as a contractor without a license. Some places it's as high as a $10,000 fine and One year in jail. Then decide if you want to risk it for the money you'll be making. Sounds like these people probably priced it out and now they want to take advantage of your ignorance to get the job down for next to nothing.

    Also, as for buying engagement ring, please see "Help, I'm falling" in the off topic forum.
     

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